Re: Locklizard

I love this banter!

You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their investment?

If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their workbooks on bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one of them make a joke about this last time this came up in fact!

I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts hard work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both material is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps for free.

The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well for them.

You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350 workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE boot camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular basis, but might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the point here- you want the longer term workbook for free.

Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to read the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor, perhaps?

Happy labbing- cheers!

Regards,
Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every single of training material that I used.
>
> What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated no matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that INE have of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct one, it means I can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it however I choose (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in how many devices or in the PDF reader I must use.
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> On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
>
>> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most pirated IE Workbooks around!
>>
>> What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
>>
>> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to commission you for free. I got a few gigs you can do here in the States. If you don't mind flying over here and working for free... :)
>>
>> -JB
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian <shane_at_shanekillian.net (mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
>>> My experience is this -
>>>
>>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me its
>>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with Locklizard
>>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
>>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my first
>>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its important to
>>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
>>>
>>> I think that "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that material can be
>>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to make a
>>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
>>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the people that
>>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people that
>>> weren't going to - won't.
>>>
>>> I would be interested to see the contribution of time and effort invested
>>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more efficiently.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed explanation...
>>>>
>>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual property
>>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking the
>>>> rules...
>>>>
>>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be playing for
>>>> "the right side."
>>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last week when
>>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha loved to say
>>>> that... good riddens...
>>>>
>>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green light to do
>>>> so.
>>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a 17 year
>>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
>>>>
>>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time, resources and
>>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business or service
>>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same reason a
>>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium without
>>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear of doing
>>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't belong to
>>>> you there are harsh consequences...
>>>>
>>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the end of the
>>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where copyright
>>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
>>>>
>>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free because
>>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
>>>>
>>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you broke the
>>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it and see
>>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena your Fios
>>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement. Take
>>>> your pick...
>>>>
>>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard work will
>>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through college
>>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep new
>>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his health
>>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
>>>>
>>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly minted
>>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
>>>>
>>>> Joe Brunner
>>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican hottie on his
>>>> arm
>>>> 1 Borgata Way
>>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com) [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> David Rothera
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
>>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
>>>>
>>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are hurting are
>>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you use this
>>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
>>>>
>>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of the day
>>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are your real
>>>> customers.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> David Rothera
>>>> CCIE #38338
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
>>>>
>>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com (mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc ......
>>>>>
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