Re: CCIE Service Providerv3 - General Question

Narbik,
The company that sponsors you for your Cisco Learning partnership
(Skyline-ATS) contacted us about a partnership about a year ago. After
telling them how well we're doing and fast INE is growing (making Inc 5000
for the third year in a row next year) they said that we would be "out of
our minds" to become Cisco authorized. We of course wouldn't do it
anyways because I could never teach the 360 CCIE classes knowing that I
only have really 2.5 to 3 days of real instruction between the labs they
have do during the class. I mean they fly in for a 5 day CCIE class and
the first day they give you an assessment? Why waste a whole day on an
assessment? It's only a 5 day class. Why not have them take the
assessment before they come to the class? Or how about the "authorized"
Cisco 360 videos where you can buy a single 90 minute video with a lab for
$395. People need to be able to pay with Cisco Learning Credits (CLCs)
because no one in their right mind would fork out $395 cash for 90 minutes
of video on one topic. Where do they come up with this pricing? Wall
Street? Maybe since Cisco says less than 1% of people are Cisco CCIE
certified the pricing is for the 1% ;-)

Additionally not being Cisco authorized means I can offer scholarships
like we did this year (http://ine.co/2tv4w). I can offer affordable
training to people in "developing" countries. I can offer products DRM
free (i.e. No LockLizard). The products are the customer's as they paid
for it so they can use it as they see fit. Now when I get to the point
I'm only concerned with the money and don't care helping people, then I'll
become Cisco authorized and sell those $395 90 minute single Cisco 360
videos over the $299 80+ hour video series we currently offer. Or by
going authorized I'll be able to offer everything locked down with
LockLizard so everyone is penalized because a few people pirate the
material.

I know that you promised everyone that you would not respond to this
thread anymore but feel free since you already responded a few times since
then. I'm sure you'll want to chime in as to why you use LockLizard over
doing what INE does by being 100% DRM free.

Lastly I know that I'm a little "light hearted" in some of my wording but
the overall discussion of why INE never went Cisco authorized is a
question that I get from time to time but not often from anyone who has
"experienced" Cisco authorized training. Usually then the question
answers itself ;-)

-- 
Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com
INE, Inc.
http://www.INE.com
On 10/29/12 5:55 PM, "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>Kenneth,
>
>Knowing the basics is VERY important, besides some of the obvious
>subjects,
>you have lots of other ones that Cisco has added to the cert, maybe
>students don't need to take the actual CCNA-SP but a combo CCNA-CCNP SP
>boot camp will work better as a foundation class to the CCIE-SP.
>There are many benefits doing these classes through a Cisco Learning
>Partner (CLP), and one of them is the fact that you can use CLCs.
>
>On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Kenneth Ratliff <dayne_at_cluebat.net>
>wrote:
>
>> On 10/26/12 7:29 PM, "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Right, there are obviously differences between the two OSes, both in
>> >hardware and software, but for any true CCIE this should not be an
>>issue.
>> > The point of the CCIE is to obtain the level of expert in network
>> >engineering.  As an expert you should have a deep theoretical knowledge
>> >of why and how different networking technologies work.  OSPF is OSPF,
>>BGP
>> >is BGP, whether it's on IOS, IOS XR, NX-OS, JunOS, etc.
>>
>> Yeah, that's the kind of viewpoint that causes outages. When you start
>> thinking like this, you tend to make some very, very bad assumptions. Of
>> course, you might live you in a world where vendors never change options
>> or defaults between platforms or even OS revisions on the same platform,
>> never mind the consideration of interoperability.
>>
>> >
>> >What I'm saying is that if you're a CCIE in R&S - an  *expert* in
>>Routing
>> >& Switching technologies - and you need to start back at CCNA level for
>> >the Service Provider track, then you have failed.  You've failed
>>yourself
>> >as you've missed the entire point of CCIE to begin with.
>>
>> There's something about this I find to be fairly offensive, and quite a
>> bit elitist. Do you honestly believe that achieving a CCIE means you
>>never
>> have to go back to basics? You never have to review? That you don't have
>> that much to learn?
>>
>> When you're dealing with an unfamiliar platform and a new OS, I think
>>it's
>> prudent to probably start with the basics. I'd expect a CCIE to be able
>>to
>> breeze through it, since it should simply be a matter of reconciling the
>> differences with what you already know, but to say that you've failed
>> yourself by making an attempt to cover all the bases? I think that's a
>>bit
>> too cavalier.
>>
>>
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