Re: OT: please share strategy

Yes - getting the buy in of those that are close to you is a key part of the
process.

From: ccie99999 <ccie99999_at_gmail.com>
Date: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:23 AM
To: Sidney D'Souza <mail.sidney_at_gmail.com>
Cc: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>, Anthony Sequeira
<terry.francona_at_gmail.com>, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>,
"ccielab_at_groupstudy.com certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: OT: please share strategy

I'd thank Narbik for being stopped waiting his next flight connection
somewhere ;) His advices are always very helpful.

I will wait also Anthony's thoughs on this.

Anyway I think CCIE is something extreme, not only an exam to pass but a
race to win.

If you are preparing for winning a race, let's say for example the MotoGP,
or at least be in the first 10 positions, you cannot simply use your bike
times to times.
You can also tell your wife that you must use your bike 2 hours per day
because you have to win the MotoGP, those could be 2 hours of quality
training but guys, in my opinion you will never get nor the 10th position.
You can even have the best bike and the best place to get trained but
nothing to do.
You simply need a further quality time, a different strategy to win.
Full spot of dedicated time is necessary in my opinion.. Call them Saturdays
or Sundays, or full week off from work.
This is sometimes incompatible with your family.. Friends can understand I
think, but family needs you everyday or at least during weekends.
Only one solution in my opinion is get your family involved and explain them
you need months where during weekend you need time for you.
Quality is the keyword as dedication and patience also. Trying to get
quality time for you and your study and quality time for your family.
I've ended up to see that often time spent with my family is not of
quality.. and this doesn't help nor family, nor studies.
Sleep time must be sacrificed, no other options here as far as I know.

Then I wait for your though on this.
This topic is not OT at all.. strategy is sometimes 80% of ccie.. I think
there are thousand of very good engineer out there that tried to prepare the
lab, and then given up because of missing the good strategy for them.

Of course I'm in the same situation and I do everyday something for getting
better on this side.

thanks guys.

Sidney, your signature is the best one I've seen in the past years ;)

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Sidney D'Souza <mail.sidney_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks Narbik/Anthony and Imran for bringing up the topic. I was
> beginningto loose
> it because I thought I just wasn't putting enough hours in to prepare. The
> maximum time I can spend in a day studying is 2 hours after which I cannot
> retain any information. Glad to know others face the same problems.
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Regards,
> Sid
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > thank you all for extreemly valuable advices ..this is indeed the
>> > best i got .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Anthony Sequeira
>> > <terry.francona_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>>> > > Yeah - so Narbik stole my thoughts exactly!
>>> > >
>>> > > More important that raw hours is what you are doing with those hours!
>>> > >
>>> > > So many students will set aside a 6 hour block - and then waffle
about
in
>>> > > those 6 hours and accomplish very little. Start planning your action
>> > items
>>> > > now for your study sessions to maximize their efficiency. For
example,
>>> > > look what I have setup for tomorrow. I knew I was going to study - I
>>>
just
>>> > > did not know for how long. So I allow a detailed and powerful action
>>>
plan
>>> > > to tell me how long I will be at:
>>> > >
>>> > > Topic of the Day
>>> > > Control Plane Policing (CoPP)
>>> > > 20 minutes - read thoroughly the printed PDF of appropriate DOC-CD
>> > chapter
>>> > > 45 minutes - create and test a sample lab scenario
>>> > > 30 minutes - attempt Yusef sample tasks
>>> > >
>>> > > So it turns out I will be at it for just 95 minutes. Should I be
really
>>> > > still fired up and passionate after this session - I will indeed at
>>>
least
>>> > > preplan the next topic and session. In all reality, for tomorrow,
>> > however,
>>> > > I will just plan something with the family since they have been
>>> neglected
>>> > > pretty badly as I was bearing down for the version 3 attempt.
>>> > >
>>> > > Anthony Sequeira, CCIE, CCSI, VCP
>>> > > http://www.stormwind.com
>>> > > Twitter: @compsolv
>>> > > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/compsolv
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 10/27/12 3:28 PM, "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>>> > > >Sacrifice and dedication. Remember quality and NOT quantity. The
>>>>
number
>> > of
>>>> > > >hours spent in a day is not relevant, the number of quality hours
is
>>>> > > >relevant. I know some that study 6 hours a day, but the last three
>>>> hours
>>>> > > >of
>>>> > > >those 6 hours was a waste, because they were dead tired, basically
the
>>>> > > >last
>>>> > > >three hours they learned nothing, and those three hours got them so
>> > tired
>>>> > > >that adversely effected them the next day.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >I much rather study 2 quality hours a day than 6 hours of
frustration
>> > and
>>>> > > >trying to keep my eyes open. We have other responsibilities in life
that
>>>> > > >are more important than just getting our CCIE, such as family,
friend
>> > and
>>>> > > >etc.....
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >CCIE is NOT a 6 month journey, it is a 2 years long journey, it is
>>>> > > >learning
>>>> > > >what you didn't know, it is strengthening your weak points, learning
a
>>>> > > >more
>>>> > > >consistent and correct approach in problem solving, understanding
the
>>>> > > >behavior of protocols, the interaction of protocols and getting
>> > creative.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >Everyone has an approach, the right formula is the one that does
NOT
>> > burn
>>>> > > >bridges, create bad situations between you and your spouse, family
and
>>>> > > >friends.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >And always remember that failure is part of success.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >> hi all.
>>>>> > > >>
>>>>> > > >> sorry for OT.
>>>>> > > >>
>>>>> > > >> i know every one work hards to get ccie. but i would like to
know
>> > ,
>>>>> > > >>the
>>>>> > > >> way successfull ccie's has managed to pass the lab.
>>>>> > > >>
>>>>> > > >> for me it seems work , travel , family , work profile etc has
>>>>> > > >>delayed
>>>>> > > >> my success.
>>>>> > > >>
>>>>> > > >> by work profile i mean ...hetrogenous profile which is not cisco
>>>>> > > >>dominated
>>>>> > > >> . for example my work include alcatel swithces ..aurba wifi
..f5
>> > load
>>>>> > > >> balancers ..juniper security devices and only for core and
edge
>>>>> > > >>routing i
>>>>> > > >> meet cisco.
>>>>> > > >>
>>>>> > > >> travell takes around 2 and half hour.
>>>>> > > >>
>>>>> > > >> how did every one else who geneuinly passed managed ? how
many
>>>>> > > >>hours
>>>>> > > >> did you put in per working day ? did you quit you job and
>>>>>
focussed
>>>>> > > >> entirely on ccie ? what about family ..did you left during prep
?
do
>>>>> > > >>you
>>>>> > > >> only work for cisco that helped you ?
>>>>> > > >>
>>>>> > > >>
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>>>>> > > >>
>>>>> > > >>
>>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >--
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