Re: CCIE Service Providerv3 - General Question

Joshua,

No matter whose workbook and CCIE material you go through, good or bad you
will learn something valuable. These guys have been in business for a while
and I am sure they know what to do. I am also sure that you won't be sorry.

Best of luck my friend.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:43 PM, joshua lauer <jslauer_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks and appreciate the sharing of the coupon code with everyone!
>
> So far the coverage the ME3400 and IOS-XR has been solid, haven't had time
> to work through the others but I'm sure it's equally so.
>
> thanks for the tokens, they will be useful
>
>
> regards,
>
> Josh
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Josh,
> >
> > I'm glad you're enjoying the videos! For anyone else who is on the
> fence about purchasing this video series you can see some samples of it
> here: http://ine.co/spv3
> >
> > I made a special discount code for GS members that brings the download
> version of these videos to just $99. Use the coupon code "OfficialApology"
> at http://ine.co/spv3dl which is valid for the next 48 hours.
> >
> > Also Josh I'll have your account credited with $200 worth of rack rental
> tokens that you can use for IOS XR rack rentals, or any other track
> including our upcoming Nexus rentals, to make up for the discount
> difference. Send me an email offline and let me know which email address
> you login to INE with and I'll have them added.
> >
> > I know Narbik is glad you bought the videos from INE, but he promised he
> wouldn't reply to this thread anymore so I doubt he'll admit it publicly ;)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> > bmcgahan_at_INE.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.INE.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: joshua lauer [mailto:jslauer_at_gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 5:04 PM
> > To: Brian Dennis
> > Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Paul Negron; Brian McGahan; Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Service Providerv3 - General Question
> >
> > I typically don't comment much here but this conversation spurred me to
> take a look at the Advanced Technologies for the CCIE SP, it's excellent
> coverage and is pretty in depth. i ended up buying the whole thing :)
> >
> >
> >
> > i never even knew it existed :)
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > CCIE #16024 (R/S)
> >
> >
> > On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >
> >> There is no need for anyone to get upset just because someone doesn9t
> >> believe in another person's approach. Our approach just don't follow
> >> the Cisco Authorized Learning approach that the Cisco Learning
> >> Partners must follow.
> >>
> >> On the subject of CCNA. I personally never recommend the CCNA/CCNP
> >> certifications as a prerequisite to the CCIE much less the actual
> >> classes from Cisco. The CCNA SP outline pasted below is exactly why.
> >> EIGRP for SP? RIPv1, RIPv2 and RIPNG for SP? ISDN and Frame-Relay
> >> for SP? Tell Cisco that 1998 called and they want their CCNA SP
> >> training back ;-)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> >> bdennis_at_ine.com
> >>
> >> INE, Inc.
> >> http://www.INE.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/27/12 2:18 AM, "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Brain,
> >>>
> >>> If we go based on your philosophy, why would a good solid CCIE
> >>> purchase your workbooks or even attend a boot camp? They should just
> >>> study on their own, then, why did you write a book and purchased
> >>> racks if this is your philosophy?
> >>>
> >>> Many CCIEs (NOT ALL) take three to five attempts to pass, because
> >>> some of the vendors teach them how to pass the lab (I am NOT saying
> >>> that they
> >>> cheat) but the focus of their material is to help the students pass
> >>> the lab, *this is NOT bad*, but it is one philosophy. And the end
> >>> result is that the student ends up spending over 15K not to count the
> >>> rack rental/purchase and the time that they have spent studying, and
> >>> they are happy that they got a lab that they knew 80 percent or more
> >>> of the subjects.
> >>>
> >>> Our philosophy is a little different, i guess our students will
> >>> second that. I believe that if these guys had gone back to basics (In
> >>> certain subjects), they probably would have saved themselves lots of
> >>> time, money and disappointment.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The following is the curriculum for one of the CCNA-SP books that we
> >>> teach, can you identify how many of these topics are covered in the
> >>> R&S blueprint?
> >>>
> >>> *Routed Network Technologies I*
> >>>
> >>> ? Implement EIGRPv4 and EIGRPv6 on Cisco IOS, IOS-XE and
> >>> IOS-XR routers
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe route redistribution
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe VRF
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe GRE
> >>>
> >>> *Cisco Operating Systems and Platforms I*
> >>>
> >>> ? Implement basic Cisco IOS, IOS-XE and IOS-XR CLI
> >>> operations
> >>>
> >>> ? Implement basic Cisco IOS, IOS-XE and IOS-XR routers
> >>> configurations
> >>>
> >>> *Transport Technologies*
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe SONET and SDH
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe DWDM, IPoDWDM, and ROADM
> >>>
> >>> ? Configure 10 Gigabit Ethernet, 40 Gigabit Ethernet,
> and
> >>> 100 Gigabit Ethernet interfaces on Cisco routers
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe Frame Relay
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe ATM
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe Metro Ethernet
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe DSL
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe T1, T3, E1, E3, and ISDN
> >>>
> >>> ? Implement PPP encapsulation on Cisco routers serial
> and
> >>> POS interfaces
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe cable (DOCSIS)
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe the main BRAS and BNG routers functions in IP
> >>> NGN
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe various Passive Optical Network (PON) access
> >>> technologies and FTTx
> >>>
> >>> *Security in the Network*
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe IPsec
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe the relationships between users, user groups,
> >>> tasks groups and task IDs in IOS-XR
> >>>
> >>> ? Describe common types of network attacks
> >>>
> >>> My friend this is just SOME of the subjects that WE are going to
> >>> cover in our CCNA-SP track, now if you like I can post some of the
> >>> CCNP subjects so you can see what Paul and I are referring to. Some
> >>> of the CCIE-SP workbooks/boot camps out there go as far as our
> CCNA/CCNP level.
> >>>
> >>> We have a workbook and a boot camp for CCIE SP track as well, and it
> >>> has three volumes and we are about to add three more volumes, because
> >>> we are not satisfied that a CCIE SP (A solid one) should ONLY know
> >>> what the blueprint identifies. I guess that is also another
> >>> difference between us and some of the vendors out there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Paul Negron <negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> As Brian said,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are attempting an SP Bootcamp than you need not worry too
> >>>> much about the major REAL LIFE differences.
> >>>>
> >>>> My point is an IOS-XR primer might be in order to see the
> >>>> differences you WILL be experiencing. CCNA would be perfect for
> >>>> someone who is NOT Route Switch Savvy though.
> >>>>
> >>>> For real life applications, XR is much more powerful in show and
> >>>> debug commands that simply do NOT exist in IOS.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> For the EXAM:
> >>>>
> >>>> There are NO route-maps so at any time they can pick at RPL which if
> >>>> not prepared, you would have issues. For now it is light but they
> >>>> could make it difficult whenever they feel like it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul Negron
> >>>> CCIE# 14856
> >>>> negron.paul_at_gmail.com
> >>>> 303-725-8162
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 26, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul,
> >>>>
> >>>> i am also looking for SP after RS, but apart from different syntax
> >>>> , for which i assume one or two week of practice is enough .
> >>>>
> >>>> what major software advantageous does XR have and IOS lacks?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Paul Negron
> >>>> <negron.paul_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> My 2 cents,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I agree that the learning curve of basic commands from IOS to
> >>>>> IOS-XR is easy enough but the sub options carry some hefty
> >>>>> differences. I can show you some flags in Multicast that might make
> >>>>> you scratch your head a few times.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The line cards are truly distributed and much different output is
> >>>>> available then anything else for IOS that can help aid in
> >>>>> troubleshooting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would agree that your workbook assumes that you would be at an
> >>>>> Advanced CCIE R& S level. Narbik and I do not take that approach. I
> >>>>> guess that is a difference of opinion. (Agree to disagree).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have little experience with IOS-XR, I can see how you would
> >>>>> say the differences are Very Minor.
> >>>>> I've been messing around with it for 6 years and STILL sift through
> >>>>> some cool stuff that can be very helpful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Paul
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Paul Negron
> >>>>> CCIE# 14856
> >>>>> negron.paul_at_gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 26, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> No offense Narbik, but I don't necessarily agree with this
> statement.
> >>>>> If you're already at the CCIE R&S level then going back to CCNA SP
> >>>>> is going to be a waste of time in my opinion. Passing CCIE R&S
> >>>>> today already assumes that you already have an expert level
> >>>>> understanding of layer 2 technologies, IPv4, IPv6, IGP, BGP, and
> >>>>> Intra-AS MPLS L3VPN.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> CCIE SP is not a large stretch beyond this. It's essentially an
> >>>>> MPLS +
> >>>>> BGP exam. If you *really* understand the core of MPLS already,
> >>>>> then you just need to know how Inter-AS L3VPN works, L2VPN (which
> >>>>> is very simple), and some enhanced services like Multicast over
> >>>>> L3VPN, and of course IOS XR syntax.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tom, as to what you previously said:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "I'm thinking that learning the theory and implementing it on IOS
> >>>>> would
> >>>>> take significant time. Then applying that same knowledge to XR
> >>>>> might not
> >>> be
> >>>>> as hard. I'm not sure if that makes much sense without knowing XR
> >>>>> that much, but I would think that most of the features are similar
> >>>>> with some
> >>> new
> >>>>> additional ones first implemented on the XR line. Anyone agree or
> >>> disagree?"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is 100% correct. If you understand first how all the
> >>>>> technologies
> >>>>> work on IOS, there is very little involved in porting this to XR.
> >>>>> Of course there is a learning curve with the syntax, but beyond
> >>>>> this the
> >>>>> *vast* majority of features work exactly the same. After all,
> >>>>> networking is highly based on open standards protocols, e.g. OSPF,
> >>>>> IS-IS, BGP, LDP, etc., so as long as you understand the *why*
> >>>>> behind them then it's very simple to understand the *how* on IOS
> >>>>> XR. Of course there are caveats on XR, but are by far the
> >>>>> minority.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As for the INE workbooks and videos (I can't speak for anyone
> >>>>> else's),
> >>>>> we already assume that you're at CCIE R&S level. This means we
> >>>>> assume you are an *expert* at IGP and BGP. If you're not, then
> >>>>> you're wasting your time trying to work on the SP technologies,
> >>>>> because all their fundamental basis is coming from enterprise
> >>>>> routing & switching.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As mentioned before in the thread, MPLS Enabled Applications
> >>>>>> should
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> seen as required reading for this track. Beyond this I would
> >>>>> mainly focus on the documentation. This of course assumes you are
> >>>>> already at CCIE R&S level for the other topics.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We've had an extensive number of candidates that were already CCIE
> >>>>> R&S,
> >>>>> used INE's SPv3 ATC videos and the SPv3 workbook and then passed
> >>>>> the exam.
> >>>>> Let me know if you have more specific questions about it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security) bmcgahan_at_INE.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>>>>> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>> Of Narbik Kocharians
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:08 PM
> >>>>>> To: Tom Kacprzynski
> >>>>>> Cc: John Gitau; Cisco certification; Shaughn; Yuri Bank
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: CCIE Service Providerv3 - General Question
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To All,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The best way to approach this is to go through the SP-CCNA/SP-CCNP
> >>>>> classes/materials, recently the old MPLS was removed and it was
> >>>>> replaced with the new SP CCNA and CCNP, which i think was the BEST
> >>>>> move Cisco has ever made for SP certs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You can start with SPNGN1 and then SPNGN2 for your CCNA end then
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>> SP-CCNP you need 4 courses: SPRoute, SPAdvRoute, SPCore, SPEdge.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One of the best curriculums
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Tom Kacprzynski
> >>>>>> <tom.kac_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Whether Cisco is big in DWDM space or not is one conversation to
> >>>>> have,
> >>>>>>> but could you guys share with me what type of materials you used
> >>>>>>> to study topics like DWDM, ATM or SONET for the CCIE SP written
> >>>>>>> test? I know that these topics can be very deep in the amount of
> >>>>>>> complexity
> >>>>> and information.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks everyone,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> **
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:05 AM, John Gitau <jgitau_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> most of our clients run Cisco dwdm/optical gear
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 25 Oct 2012, at 11:11, Shaughn <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cisco are big in the DWDM/Optical space. I have worked with
> >>>>>>>>> very large
> >>>>>>>> ISP's running Cisco in that layer of the network.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> CCIE # 23962 (SP)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 25 Oct 2012, at 9:54 AM, Yuri Bank <yuribank_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Everyone says that Cisco will eventually release some kind of
> >>>>>>>>>> virtualized platform for IOS-XR, but I don't see it happening.
> >>>>>>>>>> Hell, even the versions of L3/L2IOU that are floating around
> >>>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>> *not* officially released by Cisco. I think if anything, they
> >>>>>>>>>> will go towards a hosted solution, similar to Junosphere,
> >>>>>>>>>> which kind of sucks because I really like having my own lab to
> >>>>>>>>>> tinker
> >>>>> with.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dynamips running c7200s can do a lot of the technologies, so
> >>>>>>>>>> using it learn the theory and fundamental configurations makes
> >>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>> lot of sense.
> >>>>>>>>>> I think this is what most people are doing.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I didn't think Cisco was big in the DWDM/SONET market (I've
> >>>>>>>>>> seen ISPs running Fujitsu, Infinera, and Alcalu for optical
> >>>>>>>>>> transport but never Cisco). I think the material on that
> >>>>>>>>>> subject would be minimal. All very much theory based.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -Yuri
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Tom Kacprzynski
> >>>>>>>>>> <tom.kac_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Yuri,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Good to hear from you. Looking over the written and lab
> >>>>>>>>>>> requirements,
> >>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>> seems to be some differences. Written seems to have a lot
> >>>>>>>>>>> more of
> >>>>>>>> things
> >>>>>>>>>>> like SONET, DWDM, ATM along with the MPLS and IGP. What have
> >>>>>>>>>>> you used
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>> these topics (SONET, DWDM, ATM)? The IS-IS books looks good,
> >>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> check it out. I just got the MPLS book and started reading
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Traffic Engineering with MPLS" by Eric Osborne.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking that learning the theory and implementing it on
> >>>>>>>>>>> IOS
> >>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>> take
> >>>>>>>>>>> significant time. Then applying that same knowledge to XR
> >>>>>>>>>>> might not
> >>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>> hard. I'm not sure if that makes much sense without knowing
> >>>>>>>>>>> XR that
> >>>>>>>> much,
> >>>>>>>>>>> but I would think that most of the features are similar with
> >>>>>>>>>>> some new additional ones first implemented on the XR line.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyone agree or
> >>>>>>>> disagree?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> How are the rumors of virtualized XR platform? Any
> >>>>>>>>>>> development
> >>>>> there?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kacprzynski
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Yuri Bank
> >>>>>>>>>>> <yuribank_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tom,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've glanced over some of INE's material, and it looks
> >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
> >>>>> good.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, workbooks are not the real concern, it's the lab
> >>>>> equipment!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyways, I think studying for the CCIE-SP is no different
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from the R&S. *Start with the theory* At least that is what
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been doing. I just finished reading
> >>>>>>> 'OSPF:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anatomy of an Internet Routing Protocol' and 'MPLS Enabled
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Applications'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'The Complete IS-IS Routing Protocol' Is next on my list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -Yuri
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:31 PM, HEMANTH RAJ
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <hemanthrj_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tom
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was also with the same confusion as like you after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> finishing my
> >>>>>>>> R&S.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> now after purchasing Narbik Workbooks and INE materials for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE
> >>>>>>>> SPV3. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> felt they have covered the blueprint extensively. So i
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>> recommend
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> go for Narbik and INE WB if you want to pursue your SPV3.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am doing the same right now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Tom Kacprzynski <
> >>>>>>> tom.kac_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I'm done with CCIE R&S, there is a void in my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> evenings,
> >>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> date-nights with R1 and SW2 (oh memories) or practice labs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I
> >>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking of looking at the CCIE Service Provider. I wanted
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get
> >>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback from people that did their RS and moved on to the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Service Provider track. From my initial research I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> noticing that workbooks don't
> >>>>>>>> seem
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be comprehensive as with RS, by that I mean not all topics
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> covered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them (I could be wrong). Is that partly due to the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware requirements?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What sort of major difference did you noticed studying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SPv3 vs RS
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> terms
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of materials and preparation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kacprzynski
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE#36159
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
> >>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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*Narbik Kocharians
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