Re: IPv6 for Websites

This is because every ISP has to prove that they need more IPs when they request new ones from IANA. And there aren't any left, for the most part.

Regards,
 Joe Sanchez

( please excuse the brevity of this email as it was sent via a mobile device. Please excuse misspelled words or sentence structure.)

On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Brent Leekley <leekleybm_at_me.com> wrote:

> We've been told we have to prove that we are at 80% capacity of our current allocations to get new IPv4 space.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 28, 2012, at 8:11 AM, Aaron <aaron1_at_gvtc.com> wrote:
>
>> Does ipv6 help in the case where an isp has a /17 (32k addresses) and an
>> ever-increasing customer/subscriber base wanting a real-world routable
>> address? Will ipv6 solve that problem where I will continue to have to
>> issue out a publicly routable address to my customers and I only have an
>> arin-assigned /17 but I need more and more addresses all the time? Today
>> and in the foreseeable future, can I still get more arin-assigned ipv4
>> prefixes if I request them and justify this with the aforementioned
>> increasing subscriber base? Will arin give me more v4 space? Lemme
>> know.... thanks
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Brian McGahan
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:33 PM
>> To: Ryan West; Joseph L. Brunner
>> Cc: Cisco Fanatic; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: IPv6 for Websites
>>
>> What's interesting though is that IPv6 actually makes the problem worse, not
>> better. The goal of IPv6 was to solve IPv4's address shortage and enforce
>> heirarchy, but realistically heirarchy cannot be enforced. At this point
>> the Internet is too highly and randomly interconnected for IPv6 to solve any
>> real problem.
>>
>> The growth of the IPv4 BGP table is an indicator of why IPv6 won't solve the
>> problem: http://bgp.potaroo.net/ Currently the IPv4 table is at over
>> 450,000 prefixes and growing, which is over 100% growth over the past 4
>> years. If you check the comparitive tables of IPv4 vs IPv6
>> (http://bgp.potaroo.net/v6/v6rpt.html) right now ~60% of the IPv4 space is
>> being advertised (~450,000 prefixes) and at ~10,000 prefixes IPv6
>> advertising ~.02% of its space. What will happen when every end device
>> actually enables IPv6 and needs to be globally routable? Not only will you
>> *still* need to route the 500,000+ (conservatively) IPv4 prefixes at that
>> time, but also the thousands or potentially millions of IPv6 prefixes in the
>> table.
>>
>> I really hate to say this, but I think I have to agree with Joe on this one
>> ;) IPv6 was defined in 1998 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2460). That's
>> almost 14 years it's been available and it has not ever been seriously
>> implemented. I think long term IPv6 will be a pipe dream that never really
>> took off and that some other protocol similar to LISP will be implemented to
>> solve larger scale routing and mobility issues.
>>
>> Just don't email me a link to this post in 10 years when 99% of the Internet
>> is running IPv6 and I was 100% wrong ;)
>>
>> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security) bmcgahan_at_INE.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
>> West
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:55 AM
>> To: Joseph L. Brunner
>> Cc: Cisco Fanatic; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: IPv6 for Websites
>>
>> We might be, but a full BGP feed will take 8gb of RAM. Can't wait to see
>> all those /26's in my table.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 10:46 AM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Your carrier needs to route IPv6 for you...
>>>
>>> Here's a hint: IPv6 was created to boost IT companies bottom line... its
>> not needed, never was needed, never will be needed...
>>>
>>> 99% of companies (or more) use nat... entire clusters of home internet
>> users can also use nat.
>>>
>>> The "Global IP Shortage" is a solution looking for a problem...
>>>
>>> Bet you $10 in 2020 we're all still using IPv4
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Cisco Fanatic
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:29 AM
>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: IPv6 for Websites
>>>
>>> All -
>>>
>>> As IPv6 will be the future of Internet and I think I know much about IPv6
>> as I am studying for my CCIE.
>>>
>>> I have a quick question and finding it very difficult to implement.
>>>
>>> My company is hosting 2 sites for a small company. This company approached
>> and said that they want there sites to be IPv6 ready. We enabled IPv6
>> protocol on the switches and Checkpoint firewall but it still does not work.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something or it is not that easy as I am thinking?
>>>
>>> Any help will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Yuri
>>>
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