Re: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number

Hi Joseph,

Try to sleep for more time :)

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
<joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:

> Wow -
>
> Maybe step one of any Aspiring Gold Partner should be to open "an office"
> in India! I could keep all 4 CCIE's on the payrolls for only $16k per
> month!!!
>
> Scott,
>
> We should setup a company "Gold Partner Services Pty Ltd." to open the
> office addresses at mail drops in India for USA based Cisco partners and
> recruit number nesters seeking the $4k per month to nest with us!!!
>
> We of course would charge Gold Partners far more than the $16k per month
> and everyone would be happy! I'll let you own 51%!
>
> Let's do it!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:25 AM
> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
>
> It depends on what they are doing.
>
> For CISCO'S policy (e.g. silver and gold resellers) the CCIEs used to
> support that MUST live in the country that the reseller is applying for
> status in. So unless they are having an office in India, then you're
> living there won't help them.
>
> Now, that doesn't mean they won't lie. It just means if they are caught
> at it, that can spell trouble!
>
> If they're paying you though, I'm not sure I'd care. The legality is
> their issue, not yours. :) What I would do, however, is make sure in
> writing that they will allow a "quick release" of your certifications
> should you decide to leave. Typically if you change association, your
> number will be tied up for 12 months and not count towards another
> reseller unless mutually agreed upon release earlier. And having it in
> writing is always better! :)
>
> Have fun!
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>
> CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>
> IPv6 Gold Certified Engineer, IPv6 Gold Certified Trainer
>
> CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER
>
> swm_at_emanon.com
>
>
> Knowledge is power.
>
> Power corrupts.
>
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
> On 8/28/12 2:14 AM, Arista Wirawan wrote:
> > An india agency from linkedin.com approach me that a *US company wants
> to
> > employ and tie CCIE number with their organization*. I am not located in
> > US. The initial phase is a remote consultant under his agency (He said
> > maximum fee is $4k/months).
> >
> > I have no idea whether this arrangement is comlpy with Cisco CCIE policy
> or
> > even US government.
> > Is this a unusual US job arrangement for overseas job applicant?
> >
> > ========================
> >
> > 1. This position will *initially be remote* and you ll be working from
> > home as a consultant to (US company). You will sign a contract with my
> > company and we ll further contract your services to (US company).
> >
> > 2. In second phase, based with your performance, you may be invited to
> > US as a consultant on Business (you will need a B1/B2 visa for this if
> > you are selected, please apply for one immediately). A different
> > consultancy fee will be finalized at that moment.
> > 3. In the third phase, you may be posted to US on H1B visa - as and
> when
> > they become available.
> >
> >
> > ===========
> >
> > And, already requested to fill the form with my CCIE number and
> > passport/visa on his first email
> >
> > Cisco Information (CCIE):
> > First Name:
> > Last Name:
> > Certification Number:
> > Certification Type(s):
> >
> > Passport & Visa
> > Passport Number:
> > Valid Till (date):
> > Has a valid US visa stamping (Yes/No/NA):
> > If yes, Valid Till (date/NA):
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In case you hadn't noticed, nobody makes good margin on Cisco
> >> equipment. :) Hardware sales is not where it's at.
> >>
> >> However, there are still pricing differences from registered to premiere
> >> to silver to gold. However, it's all within a few percentage points
> >> that are generally eaten up by competition anyway.
> >>
> >> As someone else noted, there's a lot more that goes into a silver or
> >> gold partner than just having a few CCIE's hanging around. It's audited
> >> (painfully) and all about processes and stuff. Good things for Cisco
> >> wanting you to work in larger accounts. No sense in someone else giving
> >> them a bad name!
> >>
> >> If you're selling that much hardware though, where you care... I'd
> >> suggest going to sell another vendor's products. You'll make more
> >> money. If you are distancing yourself on the quality of professional
> >> services, then you'll find that you can get a good reputation regardless
> >> of status and that may make the difference to your customers.
> >>
> >> Yes, you're correct that inherently the lower partners will possibly
> >> have less overhead than larger partners, but that's not across the
> >> board. I work for a gold partner. We are "slim" in that we have some
> >> good high-quality engineers, but not nearly as much as some of the other
> >> gold partners that we compete against. So while we may not move the
> >> quantity they do, we do a damn good job, and can price things much
> >> better overall than some other resellers.
> >>
> >> Also, as I work in the federal/DoD space as well, there are OFTEN times
> >> that unless you're a gold partner, you can't even submit a bid. Well, I
> >> guess you can, but it won't be considered.
> >>
> >> The power of marketing and status! Knowing the details though, is
> >> important to also know what areas do or do not matter to you!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> >>
> >> CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
> >>
> >> IPv6 Gold Certified Engineer, IPv6 Gold Certified Trainer
> >>
> >> CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER
> >>
> >> swm_at_emanon.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Knowledge is power.
> >>
> >> Power corrupts.
> >>
> >> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>
> >> On 8/26/12 6:40 PM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
> >>> Being a Silver or Gold partner probably mattered back in 1999 - but
> >> these days everyone gets the same discount - we all buy from Ingram
> Micro
> >> anyway - registered partner, gold partner - doesn't matter.
> >>> The partner (of any suit) that registers the deal first has the best
> >> discount anyway)... finally, customers buy from who they trust... I have
> >> never lost a deal to a silver or gold partner from a customer who said
> "You
> >> know, Joe, I need a gold partner, I think I have some risk using a
> >> registered partner).
> >>> People with money don't have time to worry about these stupid little
> >> minutiae - so why even bother registering and going through all this
> crap
> >> anyway?
> >>> We just go Advanced UC - but that's as far as I'm going - and I still
> >> have to pester Cisco to put us in the system for that - 2 of my guys
> just
> >> passed all the voice field engineer certs and specialist badges - so now
> >> can officially sell voice.
> >>> A partner would be better off hiring more sales people than wasting
> time
> >> bringing more ccie's to Cisco to get gold status, etc.
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >> CCIEAgent
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 9:55 AM
> >>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ccieflyer.com/2009-June-Monica-Cojocneanu.php
> >>>
> >>> Excerpts from this article from Monica about some work done for CCIEs
> >> around this topic:
> >>> In Monica's case this example of her work should help all CCIEs breathe
> >> easier. After the recent counterfeit CCIE we smoked out I was contacted
> via
> >> LinkedIn by a recruiter in the UK who feels that this kind of activity
> >> lowers the salaries of ethical CCIEs. Maybe she is right and this
> exercise
> >> is helping preserve the value of the investment so many have made in
> their
> >> CCIE certifications.
> >>> When the names of 5 CCIEs appeared on a partner new application for
> Gold
> >> certification, the Program Manager had to validate that these CCIEs were
> >> eligible to fill those roles. As you know, Eman, the CCIEs have to
> reside
> >> in the country seeking certification. From the very beginning, the
> Program
> >> Manager suspected that the partner was not being completely transparent
> >> regarding the country of residency of the CCIEs listed on the
> application.
> >>> It was not too difficult to suspect deceit, especially since the CCIEs
> >> on the application had Korean names and the partner seeking
> certification
> >> was located in Pakistan.
> >>> The Cisco Brand Protection team immediately started an investigation.
> >> Three of the CCIEs stated that they had no knowledge that the Partner
> had
> >> listed them on the application. The other two CCIEs indicated they
> lived in
> >> Pakistan and worked for the Partner. However, when the email headers
> were
> >> analyzed, IP addresses indicated they originated in Korea.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: CCIEAgent [mailto:ccieagent_at_verizon.net]
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 9:50 AM
> >>> To: 'Joseph L. Brunner'; 'Thomas Perrier'; 'Terry Tender'
> >>> Cc: 'ccielab_at_groupstudy.com'
> >>> Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
> >>>
> >>> Cisco audits include simple things like checking the LinkedIn page of a
> >> CCIE. I have seen this happen. But, I have also seen the contracts
> used
> >> to do Rent-a-certs and there are some good ones out there that seem to
> >> protect the CCIE, it's the channel that then suffers instead. Off-line
> if
> >> you want to discuss I am available. Protect your number because it cost
> >> too much to lose for the pittance paid for it's use.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >> Joseph L. Brunner
> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:35 PM
> >>> To: Thomas Perrier; Terry Tender
> >>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
> >>>
> >>> That's impossible to prove...
> >>>
> >>> Dozens of CCIE's who work for big banks, govt, etc and are not
> >> Affiliated with a partner have always done for this extra cash...
> >>> Partner's often can't stay competitive and keep up gold, silver and
> >> other thetan levels withour stunt c*ck CCIE's on their payroll..
> >>> If a partner is audited they can just state the CCIE's works 40 hours
> >> remote and 2 hours a week at customer meetings... most consultant firms
> are
> >> setup that way anyway - no worries...
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >> Thomas Perrier
> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:35 PM
> >>> To: Terry Tender
> >>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: Re: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Terry Tender <terry.tender_at_gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> A CCIE who is doing online work unrelated to Cisco, wants to do
> >>>> part-time consultancy/pre-sales and wants to attach their CCIE number
> >>>> with a Cisco partner. Can anyone recommend how/where he can look?
> >>> Cisco partner rules state a CCIE must work for full time for a partner
> >> for the latter to use the former's number.
> >>> -Thomas
> >>>
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