RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number

Scott,
The CCIE must work for the company no less than 40 hrs per week, Auditors
will check. Also, the 12 month policy scare really does not get enforced,
from what I have seen. The releasing company has to block the CCIEs
association move through an extraordinary effort. So, most do not even try.
I have only seen this once in 5 years.

If anyone who is a network or IT professional and they think giving this
information out over email is smart;
> Cisco Information (CCIE):
> First Name:
> Last Name:
> Certification Number:
> Certification Type(s):
>
> Passport & Visa
> Passport Number:
> Valid Till (date):
> Has a valid US visa stamping (Yes/No/NA):
> If yes, Valid Till (date/NA):

Then I think they have some research to do on Identity Theft!

Then of course there is the fact that in this public forum Arista Wirawan
has let the world know about his intentions! The fact is now you can Google
his name and see this string, no?

And then.....The Cisco Brand Protection team immediately started an
investigation. Three of the CCIEs stated that they had no knowledge that
the Partner had listed them on the application. The other two CCIEs
indicated they lived in Pakistan and worked for the Partner. However, when
the email headers were analyzed, IP addresses indicated they originated in
Korea.

The two CCIEs noted here were banned for life from further Cisco certs and
tripped of their CCIE numbers for doing what you Arista Wirawan are being
asked to do.

Please send me an email directly to advise about this Arista Wirawan,
because a Cisco partner stands to lose less than a CCIE in this scenario!

DON'T BE STUPID!

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:25 AM
To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number

It depends on what they are doing.

For CISCO'S policy (e.g. silver and gold resellers) the CCIEs used to
support that MUST live in the country that the reseller is applying for
status in. So unless they are having an office in India, then you're living
there won't help them.

Now, that doesn't mean they won't lie. It just means if they are caught at
it, that can spell trouble!

If they're paying you though, I'm not sure I'd care. The legality is their
issue, not yours. :) What I would do, however, is make sure in writing
that they will allow a "quick release" of your certifications should you
decide to leave. Typically if you change association, your number will be
tied up for 12 months and not count towards another reseller unless mutually
agreed upon release earlier. And having it in writing is always better! :)

Have fun!

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.

IPv6 Gold Certified Engineer, IPv6 Gold Certified Trainer

CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER

swm_at_emanon.com

Knowledge is power.

Power corrupts.

Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......

On 8/28/12 2:14 AM, Arista Wirawan wrote:
> An india agency from linkedin.com approach me that a *US company wants
> to employ and tie CCIE number with their organization*. I am not
> located in US. The initial phase is a remote consultant under his
> agency (He said maximum fee is $4k/months).
>
> I have no idea whether this arrangement is comlpy with Cisco CCIE
> policy or even US government.
> Is this a unusual US job arrangement for overseas job applicant?
>
> ========================
>
> 1. This position will *initially be remote* and youll be working from
> home as a consultant to (US company). You will sign a contract with my
> company and well further contract your services to (US company).
>
> 2. In second phase, based with your performance, you may be invited to
> US as a consultant on Business (you will need a B1/B2 visa for this 
> if you are selected, please apply for one immediately). A different
> consultancy fee will be finalized at that moment.
> 3. In the third phase, you may be posted to US on H1B visa - as and
when
> they become available.
>
>
> ===========
>
> And, already requested to fill the form with my CCIE number and
> passport/visa on his first email
>
> Cisco Information (CCIE):
> First Name:
> Last Name:
> Certification Number:
> Certification Type(s):
>
> Passport & Visa
> Passport Number:
> Valid Till (date):
> Has a valid US visa stamping (Yes/No/NA):
> If yes, Valid Till (date/NA):
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
>
>> In case you hadn't noticed, nobody makes good margin on Cisco
>> equipment. :) Hardware sales is not where it's at.
>>
>> However, there are still pricing differences from registered to
>> premiere to silver to gold. However, it's all within a few
>> percentage points that are generally eaten up by competition anyway.
>>
>> As someone else noted, there's a lot more that goes into a silver or
>> gold partner than just having a few CCIE's hanging around. It's
>> audited
>> (painfully) and all about processes and stuff. Good things for Cisco
>> wanting you to work in larger accounts. No sense in someone else
>> giving them a bad name!
>>
>> If you're selling that much hardware though, where you care... I'd
>> suggest going to sell another vendor's products. You'll make more
>> money. If you are distancing yourself on the quality of professional
>> services, then you'll find that you can get a good reputation
>> regardless of status and that may make the difference to your customers.
>>
>> Yes, you're correct that inherently the lower partners will possibly
>> have less overhead than larger partners, but that's not across the
>> board. I work for a gold partner. We are "slim" in that we have
>> some good high-quality engineers, but not nearly as much as some of
>> the other gold partners that we compete against. So while we may not
>> move the quantity they do, we do a damn good job, and can price
>> things much better overall than some other resellers.
>>
>> Also, as I work in the federal/DoD space as well, there are OFTEN
>> times that unless you're a gold partner, you can't even submit a bid.
>> Well, I guess you can, but it won't be considered.
>>
>> The power of marketing and status! Knowing the details though, is
>> important to also know what areas do or do not matter to you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>> #4713,
>>
>> CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>>
>> IPv6 Gold Certified Engineer, IPv6 Gold Certified Trainer
>>
>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER
>>
>> swm_at_emanon.com
>>
>>
>> Knowledge is power.
>>
>> Power corrupts.
>>
>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>
>> On 8/26/12 6:40 PM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
>>> Being a Silver or Gold partner probably mattered back in 1999 - but
>> these days everyone gets the same discount - we all buy from Ingram
>> Micro anyway - registered partner, gold partner - doesn't matter.
>>> The partner (of any suit) that registers the deal first has the best
>> discount anyway)... finally, customers buy from who they trust... I
>> have never lost a deal to a silver or gold partner from a customer
>> who said "You know, Joe, I need a gold partner, I think I have some
>> risk using a registered partner).
>>> People with money don't have time to worry about these stupid little
>> minutiae - so why even bother registering and going through all this
>> crap anyway?
>>> We just go Advanced UC - but that's as far as I'm going - and I
>>> still
>> have to pester Cisco to put us in the system for that - 2 of my guys
>> just passed all the voice field engineer certs and specialist badges
>> - so now can officially sell voice.
>>> A partner would be better off hiring more sales people than wasting
>>> time
>> bringing more ccie's to Cisco to get gold status, etc.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>> CCIEAgent
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 9:55 AM
>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
>>>
>>> http://www.ccieflyer.com/2009-June-Monica-Cojocneanu.php
>>>
>>> Excerpts from this article from Monica about some work done for
>>> CCIEs
>> around this topic:
>>> In Monica's case this example of her work should help all CCIEs
>>> breathe
>> easier. After the recent counterfeit CCIE we smoked out I was
>> contacted via LinkedIn by a recruiter in the UK who feels that this
>> kind of activity lowers the salaries of ethical CCIEs. Maybe she is
>> right and this exercise is helping preserve the value of the
>> investment so many have made in their CCIE certifications.
>>> When the names of 5 CCIEs appeared on a partner new application for
>>> Gold
>> certification, the Program Manager had to validate that these CCIEs
>> were eligible to fill those roles. As you know, Eman, the CCIEs have
>> to reside in the country seeking certification. From the very
>> beginning, the Program Manager suspected that the partner was not
>> being completely transparent regarding the country of residency of the
CCIEs listed on the application.
>>> It was not too difficult to suspect deceit, especially since the
>>> CCIEs
>> on the application had Korean names and the partner seeking
>> certification was located in Pakistan.
>>> The Cisco Brand Protection team immediately started an investigation.
>> Three of the CCIEs stated that they had no knowledge that the Partner
>> had listed them on the application. The other two CCIEs indicated
>> they lived in Pakistan and worked for the Partner. However, when the
>> email headers were analyzed, IP addresses indicated they originated in
Korea.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CCIEAgent [mailto:ccieagent_at_verizon.net]
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 9:50 AM
>>> To: 'Joseph L. Brunner'; 'Thomas Perrier'; 'Terry Tender'
>>> Cc: 'ccielab_at_groupstudy.com'
>>> Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
>>>
>>> Cisco audits include simple things like checking the LinkedIn page
>>> of a
>> CCIE. I have seen this happen. But, I have also seen the contracts
>> used to do Rent-a-certs and there are some good ones out there that
>> seem to protect the CCIE, it's the channel that then suffers instead.
>> Off-line if you want to discuss I am available. Protect your number
>> because it cost too much to lose for the pittance paid for it's use.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>> Joseph L. Brunner
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:35 PM
>>> To: Thomas Perrier; Terry Tender
>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
>>>
>>> That's impossible to prove...
>>>
>>> Dozens of CCIE's who work for big banks, govt, etc and are not
>> Affiliated with a partner have always done for this extra cash...
>>> Partner's often can't stay competitive and keep up gold, silver and
>> other thetan levels withour stunt c*ck CCIE's on their payroll..
>>> If a partner is audited they can just state the CCIE's works 40
>>> hours
>> remote and 2 hours a week at customer meetings... most consultant
>> firms are setup that way anyway - no worries...
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>> Thomas Perrier
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:35 PM
>>> To: Terry Tender
>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Terry Tender
>>> <terry.tender_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A CCIE who is doing online work unrelated to Cisco, wants to do
>>>> part-time consultancy/pre-sales and wants to attach their CCIE
>>>> number with a Cisco partner. Can anyone recommend how/where he can
look?
>>> Cisco partner rules state a CCIE must work for full time for a
>>> partner
>> for the latter to use the former's number.
>>> -Thomas
>>>
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