RE: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:04:07 -0700
> From: ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
> To: immrccie_at_gmail.com; narbikk_at_gmail.com
> CC: dale.shaw_at_gmail.com; markom_at_ipexpert.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>
> Dear Imran,
>
> I am sure you are right about narbik since i have heard alot of
> good things about him. I was just giving my point of view that dumps are
> available to everyone. And no one is in the position to tell that who used
it
> and who didnt.
>
>
> @Narbik, dont be angry, i was'nt claiming that you cheated.
> This would be very impolite and disrespectful. But if you did take it
> offensive then my sincere apologies. I hope no hard feelings
> ________________________________
> From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
> To:
> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: Ovais Iqbal
> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>; Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; Marko
Milivojevic
> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Groupbuy for passccielab
> in India
>
> Iqbal,
>
> you can doubt that most of narbik students cheeted all the
> way up to ccie ,
> but not narbik itself , i can tell this because he work
> reflect through
> knowledge in RnS areana .
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM,
> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Iqbal,
> >
> > *Sir everything is
> ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the
> > lab, cant prove
> that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you *
> >
> > When i took the lab, we
> did not have real labs or any other crap like that,
> > so please do not EVEN
> mention that, not even as an example, NEVER. You do
> > not know me well enough.
> >
> > Have a good day sir.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Ovais Iqbal
> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Narbik,
> > >
> > > Dont take it
> offensive but were you there with your students 24/7 in
> > their
> > > lives ? i
> mean how can you be so sure that they didnt use any of the real
> > > labs out
> there ? just because they are hardworking and they performed
> > well
> > > in
> your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what if we fail the
> > > lab
> ? I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned) cheated but
> > > sorry
> there is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period.
> > >
> > > Now, as you
> mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or
> > > during their
> job tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3
> > > engineers (my
> fellow country man) whose resumes are by far most
> > impressive
> > > then many
> so called GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the
> > > DUMPER (one
> of these 3 guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with
> > > couple ccie's
> among them) and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so
> > > where does your
> theory goes now that he wont perform in the real life ?
> > and
> > > he was also
> your student, cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
> > >
> > > Sir
> everything is ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes
> > the
> > >
> lab, cant prove that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you :-)
> > >
> > >
> Guys, this discussion has been raised so many times and everyone start
> > >
> jumping in, claiming (indirectly almost) that they or their students
> > never
> >
> > cheated or they dont even know that real labs exist.
> > >
> > > No offense to
> anyone :-)
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* Narbik
> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > > *To:* Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
> > >
> *Cc:* Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
> > <
> >
> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
> > >
> > >
> *Subject:* Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
> > >
> > > One of my students
> proved to me that this guy is from India and he did
> > > cheat in his written
> exam, apparently he proudly mentioned it in one of
> > his
> > > posts in this
> particular forum.
> > >
> > > That is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please
> don't be
> > disappointed,
> > > there are cheaters every where, but these guys do
> not last long, because
> > > sooner or later they have to find a job and they
> will not be able to
> > > perform at a CCIE level.
> > >
> > > Two of my students
> passed recently without cheating at all:
> > > *Kevin Huff #**35841*
> > > *Amrik
> Singh #35824*".
> > >
> > >
> > > These guys worked very hard, if you work hard you
> will succeed, you don't
> > > need to cheat at all.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012
> at 8:17 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > How do
> you know that this guy is from India, China or Russia?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> >
> > >> Hi Narbik,
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik
> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > Marko,
> > > >> >
> > >
> >> > Don't be tired of hearing the truth, first of all how do you know
> > >
> where
> > > >> > they are coming from?
> > > >>
> > > >> Surely you're not
> suggesting that there is no pattern in the origin of
> > > >> the names of
> people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
> > > >> preparation material.
> Surely.
> > > >>
> > > >> > To name three countries with such conviction, means
> >
> > >> > that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be 100 percent
> >
> sure,
> > > >> > besides, how do you know where they are being sold? Just
> because the
> > > >> guys
> > > >> > name is Vikas it does not mean that it's
> being sold in India, the
> > > person
> > > >> > might be Indian but he could be
> selling them from another country.
> > > >>
> > > >> Maybe, but how long do you
> think the crooks would stay in business if
> > > >> there is no demand? Kill the
> demand in their biggest markets and you
> > > >> destroy the viability of their
> business.
> > > >>
> > > >> > How do you differentiate an Indian name from a
> Pakistani name?
> > > >>
> > > >> Would you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Dale
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> *Narbik Kocharians
> > > > *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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