Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

Iqbal,

*Sir everything is ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the
lab, cant prove that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you *

When i took the lab, we did not have real labs or any other crap like that,
so please do not EVEN mention that, not even as an example, NEVER. You do
not know me well enough.

Have a good day sir.

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Narbik,
>
> Dont take it offensive but were you there with your students 24/7 in their
> lives ? i mean how can you be so sure that they didnt use any of the real
> labs out there ? just because they are hardworking and they performed well
> in your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what if we fail the
> lab ? I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned) cheated but
> sorry there is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period.
>
> Now, as you mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or
> during their job tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3
> engineers (my fellow country man) whose resumes are by far most impressive
> then many so called GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the
> DUMPER (one of these 3 guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with
> couple ccie's among them) and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so
> where does your theory goes now that he wont perform in the real life ? and
> he was also your student, cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
>
> Sir everything is ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the
> lab, cant prove that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you :-)
>
> Guys, this discussion has been raised so many times and everyone start
> jumping in, claiming (indirectly almost) that they or their students never
> cheated or they dont even know that real labs exist.
>
> No offense to anyone :-)
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> *To:* Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>
> One of my students proved to me that this guy is from India and he did
> cheat in his written exam, apparently he proudly mentioned it in one of his
> posts in this particular forum.
>
> That is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please don't be disappointed,
> there are cheaters every where, but these guys do not last long, because
> sooner or later they have to find a job and they will not be able to
> perform at a CCIE level.
>
> Two of my students passed recently without cheating at all:
> *Kevin Huff #**35841*
> *Amrik Singh #35824*".
>
>
> These guys worked very hard, if you work hard you will succeed, you don't
> need to cheat at all.
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > How do you know that this guy is from India, China or Russia?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Narbik,
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Marko,
> >> >
> >> > Don't be tired of hearing the truth, first of all how do you know
> where
> >> > they are coming from?
> >>
> >> Surely you're not suggesting that there is no pattern in the origin of
> >> the names of people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
> >> preparation material. Surely.
> >>
> >> > To name three countries with such conviction, means
> >> > that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be 100 percent sure,
> >> > besides, how do you know where they are being sold? Just because the
> >> guys
> >> > name is Vikas it does not mean that it's being sold in India, the
> person
> >> > might be Indian but he could be selling them from another country.
> >>
> >> Maybe, but how long do you think the crooks would stay in business if
> >> there is no demand? Kill the demand in their biggest markets and you
> >> destroy the viability of their business.
> >>
> >> > How do you differentiate an Indian name from a Pakistani name?
> >>
> >> Would you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dale
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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