OT: CCIE certification value.

Well, I don't know the situation or the guys background, so we can't speak to
it. It could be that you were too critical, poorly asked the questions, or he
dumped the CCIE lab.

The second part of having the IE is being able to demonstrate, too. That is
why you still interview an IE without just hiring him.

Now, back to labbing questions so we can feel productive. Let's not further
demean the cert with your perspective on it. I assume you are an inspiring IE
candidate as well, so let's focus there and keep this positive.

Cheers.

Regards,
Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
Sent from iJay

On Jul 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, shekhar sharma <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

> i am agreed with your opinion Jay.That we use to forget the stuff if we are
not working on the same technologies on daily basis.
>
> But my point is for a CCIE , there should be a certain level and
expectation.
>
> One of the guy i interview was not able to make a small network design for a
small Enterprise.....Now with this question, i am not expecting them to know
each and every technology.
>
> So , that means something wrong is going on which is degrading the valuue of
CCIEs .....and can affect current & future CCIE candidates....
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
wrote:
> I've seen twice replies coming in, and would like to offer my opinion as
well.
>
> As a Technical Lead, as well as a hiring manager, I interview quit a few
candidates. Most are CCIE's, or nearing it.
>
> I would like to mention that a CCIE isn't the ends to all means. It may mean
that they once were great, but have moves into a role that doesn't engage
those skills.
>
> Not to irritate any others here, but I'm sure some will admit, the older the
number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm interviewing. I interviewed
a double IE with a 9xxx number, that had forgotten BGP backdoor and BGP
local-as (to help transition BGP numbers in our case).
>
> A skill/cert is like your windshield wipers. Don't use them and after a
period of time, they won't work either. ;)
>
> It's all about the skillset that the Engineer is fresh with. I once heard
that you are never as good as you once were, right before your passing of your
IE (quote Narbik).
>
> To be honest, I passed 2 months ago, and I can't recall all of the
frame-relay and OSPF tricks I learned as I don't work with either in my
environment (MPLS, BGP, and EIGRP).
>
> Stay fresh on your skills and never become complaicent.
>
> Happy labbing.
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> Sent from iJay
>
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:27 AM, shekhar sharma <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I mean no
> > offense to anybody or any certifications.
> >
> > Just want you people to share your views on CCIE certification value.
> >
> > I am very upset with my experience with 3 CCIE certified candidates
> >
> > I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company requirement, although
I
> > am not a CCIE ...am preparing for the LAB,just cleared the written.
> >
> > Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is dual
> > CCIE(R&S + Service Provider).
> >
> > The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on various
> > technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main part is that
he
> > doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual implementation in real
> > world.
> >
> > The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge ,not able
to
> > answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the practical part. He
too
> > was zero on it.
> >
> > Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in Cisco. I was
> > expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical knowledge ...not
as
> > good as I expected......but again on the implementation part he was zero.
> >
> > Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have become a ediucation
> > buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i think the trend has
> > changed now ....and everyone is running for just certification not
becoming
> > actual IE.
> >
> > And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification .....
> >
> > Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for CCIE...I am too
> > preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the assumptions I have made could be
> > wrong.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Shekhar
> >
> >
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