Re: CCIE certification value.

Thought it quite the coincidence that the below quote landed in my inbox
next to this string:

It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong
man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit
belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by
dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up
short again and again, because there is no effort without error or
shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who
spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows in the end the
triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least
he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those
cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.
That was Theodore Roosevelt speaking at the Sorbonne in 1910, but he could
have just as easily been speaking to *you*.

Make sense?

Marc

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:57 AM, Andrew Podosenin <andrew.podosenin_at_gmail.com
> wrote:

> Shekhar,
>
> Thanks for bringing up such an interesting topic. Let me ask you of the
> value of CCIE. From what you are describing these candidates were - in your
> opinion - CCNP caliber. Let's say - for the sake of the argument - there is
> a CCIE applicant that satisfies your most stringent requirements. He
> remembers, knows, designs, implements. How much is he/she worth to you, the
> employer (USD annually on top of the average CCNP)?
> You are in a fairly unique position in this distribution list: we have the
> knowledge you buy - you buy the knowledge we have. So - if we could partake
> of the experience from the other side of the table - what's the CCIE
> certification value?
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> shekhar sharma
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 3:27 AM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: CCIE certification value.
>
> Hi All,
>
> First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I mean no
> offense to anybody or any certifications.
>
> Just want you people to share your views on CCIE certification value.
>
> I am very upset with my experience with 3 CCIE certified candidates
>
> I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company requirement, although I
> am not a CCIE ...am preparing for the LAB,just cleared the written.
>
> Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is dual
> CCIE(R&S
> + Service Provider).
>
> The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on various
> technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main part is that he
> doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual implementation in real
> world.
>
> The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge ,not able to
> answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the practical part. He too
> was zero on it.
>
> Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in Cisco. I was
> expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical knowledge ...not as
> good as I expected......but again on the implementation part he was zero.
>
> Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have become a ediucation
> buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i think the trend has
> changed now ....and everyone is running for just certification not becoming
> actual IE.
>
> And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification .....
>
> Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for CCIE...I am too
> preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the assumptions I have made could be
> wrong.
>
> Regards,
> Shekhar
>
>
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