Re: VTP Server and Transparent

Marc,

I disagree with your statement:
"
> This will be my last post on this thread, but the thing is you have
> lectured 3 or 4 CCIE's about "making assumptions" in this thread,"

 there are only 2 CCIE that I am aware on this thread, Jay, and
Narbik, I was also a CCIE but expired. I did not in any way lecture 3
or 4 CCIE's I am simply trying to help clarify and understand the
question Don was asking.

I disagree with your statement:

"
> This will be my last post on this thread, but the thing is you have
> lectured 3 or 4 CCIE's about "making assumptions" in this thread, and it is
> you who still doesn't seem to understand the nature of the original
> question."
"
I am here to help and the question was ambiguous period!
Don clarified and the answer was given, if that helps Don or not
better understand the technologies, I don't know, but I provided
reference material and configuration so hopefully he can lab up and
test.

I also disagree with the following statement:
"
Now let me state another thing about "making assumptions" in the lab. There
> will likely come a time on the lab when it doesn't appear they have given
> you enough information to make a selection of multiple answers.

"

The CCIE exam if you understand the technologies well enough there's
enough information to configure whats being asked to you. If you don't
know how to configure a particular topic or understand a question that
is given to you, perhaps you did not spend enough time mastering the
technology.

Regards,
John

On 6/24/12, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> John,
>
> This will be my last post on this thread, but the thing is you have
> lectured 3 or 4 CCIE's about "making assumptions" in this thread, and it is
> you who still doesn't seem to understand the nature of the original
> question. To me the question boils down to this.
>
> What constitutes "all vlans".
>
> Does it mean
>
> A. All possible VLANs? 1-4094
> B. All possible VLANs that the switch currently supports based on VTP
> status? 1-1005
> C. All active VLANs
>
> Your answer to do a show VLAN brief will lead him to answer C, which in my
> mind will cause him to get 0 points on this question if it specified "All
> VLANs"
>
> I vote for answer A.
>
>
> Now let me state another thing about "making assumptions" in the lab. There
> will likely come a time on the lab when it doesn't appear they have given
> you enough information to make a selection of multiple answers. In this
> case two things are likely.
>
> A. You don't understand the protocol well enough and there is subtle
> information that you are missing.
>
> B. That more than one solution is valid and since they didn't specify which
> one you can use your discretion.
>
> Now the thing about B, is that you have to have confidence in your
> knowledge here. Otherwise you may waste time worrying about which answer to
> select rather than confidently knowing which options are available to you
> and just picking one. Sometimes you just have to make an assumption or you
> will be paralyzed with fear in the lab.
>
>
> -Marc
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM, john matijevic
> <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Jay,
>>
>> I am not making this a bigger issue than it is. This is very important
>> to get a clear set of requirements on the question. To assume what the
>> intent of the question is a big mistake and even more costly mistake
>> in the real world. Don clarified after I asked him to, and was able to
>> give him a logical explanation.
>>
>> I am here to help and learn and pass the exam is the goal of everyone
>> on the list.
>>
>> If Don doesn't understand a particular part of technology, I am
>> curious as to what his misunderstanding is, so that I can help and at
>> the same time make sure that I understand what he is having trouble
>> with.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > John- you are making this a much bigger issue than it is. Don't
>> > question
>> is
>> > valid.
>> >
>> > No harm in setting all possible VLAN's as root, even when in server
>> > mode.
>> > This will cover the requirement, in case you fail to read ahead and
>> > later
>> > down in the lab there is an indirect requirement to put a switch into
>> > transparent mode.
>> >
>> > Many of the various IE vendors have embedded this into us many, many
>> times.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>> > Sent from iJay
>> >
>> > On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, john matijevic <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good afternoon Jay,
>> >>
>> >> I wouldnt take anything for ganted and assume nothing.
>> >>
>> >> What Don is asking is important for eveyone on this list, so that we
>> >> can all try and learn and pass the exam. It's important to understand
>> >> what is it that Don is lacking that asks him to post a question here
>> >> on the forum. If the question is ambiguous, or if Don knows more about
>> >> the scenerio due to diagrams and configurations, he may just have a
>> >> specific piece that he is uncertain of, but has not given us all the
>> >> full details of the scenerio he is working with.
>> >>
>> >> Weather its a spanning-tree or VTP task who knows? Without more detail
>> >> information it be a mistake to assume anything.
>> >>
>> >> This is a dangerous mindset to have is to assume especially when it
>> >> comes to not only the CCIE lab exam but real world networking, and
>> >> working with customers/clients.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> This just covers you, no matter what the situation. All VLAN's means
>> all
>> >>> VLAN's, in any situation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>> >>> Sent from iJay
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:02 PM, john matijevic
>> >>> <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Good Morning Jay,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please post on how you agree, also post where you got this question
>> >>>> from?
>> >>>> Also please be more specific on covers you if it moves to
>> >>>> transparent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> again vague, also please post diagram and configs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This is a vague question by Don, I apologize to Marc, the question
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> directed towards Don.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> John
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> I agree: 1-4094. This always covers you if it moves to transparent.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>> >>>>> Sent from iJay
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:36 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I would choose 1-4094.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Don Rajaratne
>> >>>>>> <don.rajaratne_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> May be this is a silly one .. :)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Its like this... Its a vtp server and client scenario. If the
>> >>>>>>> question
>> >>>>>>> says
>> >>>>>>> the server has to be primary root for all the vlan what is the
>> range
>> >>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>> to choose? Is it 1-4094? or 1-1005?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I know only transparent mode supports up to 4094 and server mode
>> >>>>>>> only
>> >>>>>>> up
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> 1005. But, I have seen some workbooks have selected 1-4094 even
>> >>>>>>> though
>> >>>>>>> its
>> >>>>>>> on server mode.Any harm by doing this??
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thank you all..
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Don
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
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