Re: Studying for my fourth attempt

I also agree - Joe whines about like a baby! He needs to carry more
positive energy around here!

Sadiq

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> i always had a feeling that joe might be having High B.P and easily looses
> his clam and starts complaining every now and then .
>
> techincally i saw *him very less* helping people here than lashing them
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 2:55 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You just sunk his battleship!
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > totally agreed with you Derek,
> > >
> > > OER is very big topic! I guess Leah have used very generic term "OER".
> > > It's just like saying I failed in BGP question.
> > > I don't see NDA violation here.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Derek Fink <cciedonkey_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Saying "After getting destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2
> > >> attempts" is NOT a NDA violation. OER is listed on the blueprint, and
> > >> saying "topics such as OER" simply implies topics not considered
> > >> "foundation topics".
> > >>
> > >> Being specific on how OER was presented in the lab would be a
> violation,
> > >> but that is nowhere near what Leigh said.
> > >>
> > >> I feel like I have wasted the last 5 minutes of my life even reading
> and
> > >> responding to this thread, but I don't like seeing CCIE's flaming
> > >> candidates for no reason.
> > >>
> > >> Best of luck with your journey Leigh! Joe, get a life!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:28 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > CCIE isn't about working harder... It is about working smarter ;)
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
> > >> > <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > They work harder than we do I have met enough CCIE s to learn
> > >> having a
> > >> > > 36 waist makes me Young Brad Pit compared to you guys J****
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ** **
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *From:* marc edwards [mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com]
> > >> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:23 PM
> > >> > > *To:* Joseph L. Brunner
> > >> > > *Cc:* Leigh Finch; Jazz Sunn; Cisco certification
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *Subject:* Re: Studying for my fourth attempt****
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ** **
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Comparing a CCIE to a theme park employee? That statement, in
> > itself,
> > >> > just
> > >> > > devalued the cert more than any NDA violation I have seen on this
> > >> forum.
> > >> > *
> > >> > > ***
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ** **
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regards,****
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ** **
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Marc****
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Joseph L. Brunner <
> > >> > > joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:****
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If OER wasn't on your lab attempt why even mention it?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Forget how much money I spent on my CCIE, I would care less how
> you
> > >> get
> > >> > > your number or not - think about the people at Cisco that work
> hard
> > to
> > >> > > bring you the test...
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Kind of like the characters at Disney World that get up at 5 am
> for
> > >> > > rehearsals and wait around until the park opens each day, so
> 1000's
> > of
> > >> > > happy kids can rush into see them! Or Astronauts that spend 10 to
> 20
> > >> > years
> > >> > > in the military to earn the CHANCE to even APPLY for the space
> > >> program...
> > >> > > someone did something you didn't do so you could just watch...
> > that's
> > >> > this
> > >> > > test...
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If you're really worthy of the test you'll respect it and just
> pass
> > >> it -
> > >> > > who needs to know what you got tested on the day you failed or
> pass?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Also, whether you respect it or not that your business - but be
> > warned
> > >> > > there is an NDA and who knows what could happen if Cisco employees
> > >> are on
> > >> > > this forum looking for specific examples of NDA violations.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Joe****
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > >> Of
> > >> > > Leigh Finch****
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:38 PM
> > >> > > To: Jazz Sunn
> > >> > > Cc: Cisco certification
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Studying for my fourth attempt
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi Jazz,
> > >> > > Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't mean to suggest that OER
> was
> > >> in my
> > >> > > last two attempts (I should have worded that better). I meant to
> use
> > >> OER
> > >> > as
> > >> > > a placeholder for a complex topic that I need to work on (and has
> > >> been a
> > >> > > popular topic on this forum of late).
> > >> > >
> > >> > > leigh****
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 21/06/12 10:33 AM, Jazz Sunn wrote:
> > >> > > > Leigh, lots of people react before thinking. Joesph's likely
> > >> invested
> > >> > > > a large amount of time, engery and money for his number, and as
> a
> > >> > > > result I'm sure the first hint he or anyone else in his position
> > >> gets
> > >> > > > that someone's attempting to devalue their credential, they lash
> > >> out.
> > >> > > > I'm assuming this was triggered by you stating OER was a topic
> for
> > >> > > > your last two attempts. However, it's clearly documented at 2.8
> of
> > >> the
> > >> > > > R&S blueprint that OER is a topic you are expected to master for
> > the
> > >> > > > exam. I'm not sure you would have received the same had you said
> > BGP
> > >> > > > gave you a hard time.
> > >> > > > I have a blog, lots of my friends do, lots of people on this
> list
> > >> do.
> > >> > > > Writing about topics in an educational delivery model, blog or
> > wiki,
> > >> > > > helps reinforce your understanding of it. I for one encourage
> you
> > do
> > >> > > > to so, and look forward to reading some of your efforts.
> > >> > > > Good luck!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Leigh Finch <
> > leigh_at_leighfinch.net
> > >> ****
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > <mailto:leigh_at_leighfinch.net>> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > At no point have I stated what was in my labs. My wiki is
> not
> > >> > > > designed to be a dump site. I have not written about what
> was
> > in
> > >> > > > my labs. I'm covering broad topics with areas I need to work
> > on.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I won't post about it again.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks, leigh
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On 21/06/12 9:42 AM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > This should read - "After getting walked out by the
> > Proctors
> > >> > > > or denied my lab booking for BREAKING THE NDA by
> divulging
> > >> > > > what I faced on my previous attempts".
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Please let's be professional and not turn this into a
> dump
> > >> > > > board - you don't need to tell anyone (except your
> priest,
> > >> > > > rabbi, imam, wife or attorney) what was on your CCIE lab
> > >> exam.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Joe
> > >> > > > #19366
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > >> >****
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:
> > nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > >> >]
> > >> > > > On Behalf Of Leigh Finch
> > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:03 PM
> > >> > > > To: Cisco certification
> > >> > > > Subject: Studying for my fourth attempt
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Hi Everyone,
> > >> > > > I'm starting to ramp up for my fourth attempt. After
> > getting
> > >> > > > destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2 attempts.
> > I've
> > >> > > > decided to start writing wiki articles for each topic of
> > the
> > >> > > > blueprint to ensure, I know something about every topic.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I won't be writing everything about a topic, but I'll
> try
> > my
> > >> > > > best to be correct. Hopefully, if I'm confident enough
> to
> > >> > > > publish something, I know it well enough and I'm not
> > >> cheating
> > >> > > > myself.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > The first article I've written about is NTP. The rest of
> > the
> > >> > > > wiki is just a skeleton at the moment.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >****
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> http://leighfinch.net/cisco_wiki/index.php/Network_Time_Protocol
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > If you see something wrong please unicast me.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Cheers, leigh
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
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> > >> > > >****
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
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