Re: Studying for my fourth attempt

Saying "After getting destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2
attempts" is NOT a NDA violation. OER is listed on the blueprint, and
saying "topics such as OER" simply implies topics not considered
"foundation topics".

Being specific on how OER was presented in the lab would be a violation,
but that is nowhere near what Leigh said.

I feel like I have wasted the last 5 minutes of my life even reading and
responding to this thread, but I don't like seeing CCIE's flaming
candidates for no reason.

Best of luck with your journey Leigh! Joe, get a life!

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:28 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> CCIE isn't about working harder... It is about working smarter ;)
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
>
> > They work harder than we do I have met enough CCIE s to learn having a
> > 36 waist makes me Young Brad Pit compared to you guys J****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > *From:* marc edwards [mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:23 PM
> > *To:* Joseph L. Brunner
> > *Cc:* Leigh Finch; Jazz Sunn; Cisco certification
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: Studying for my fourth attempt****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Comparing a CCIE to a theme park employee? That statement, in itself,
> just
> > devalued the cert more than any NDA violation I have seen on this forum.
> *
> > ***
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Regards,****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Marc****
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Joseph L. Brunner <
> > joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:****
> >
> > If OER wasn't on your lab attempt why even mention it?
> >
> > Forget how much money I spent on my CCIE, I would care less how you get
> > your number or not - think about the people at Cisco that work hard to
> > bring you the test...
> >
> > Kind of like the characters at Disney World that get up at 5 am for
> > rehearsals and wait around until the park opens each day, so 1000's of
> > happy kids can rush into see them! Or Astronauts that spend 10 to 20
> years
> > in the military to earn the CHANCE to even APPLY for the space program...
> > someone did something you didn't do so you could just watch... that's
> this
> > test...
> >
> > If you're really worthy of the test you'll respect it and just pass it -
> > who needs to know what you got tested on the day you failed or pass?
> >
> > Also, whether you respect it or not that your business - but be warned
> > there is an NDA and who knows what could happen if Cisco employees are on
> > this forum looking for specific examples of NDA violations.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joe****
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Leigh Finch****
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:38 PM
> > To: Jazz Sunn
> > Cc: Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: Studying for my fourth attempt
> >
> > Hi Jazz,
> > Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't mean to suggest that OER was in my
> > last two attempts (I should have worded that better). I meant to use OER
> as
> > a placeholder for a complex topic that I need to work on (and has been a
> > popular topic on this forum of late).
> >
> > leigh****
> >
> >
> > On 21/06/12 10:33 AM, Jazz Sunn wrote:
> > > Leigh, lots of people react before thinking. Joesph's likely invested
> > > a large amount of time, engery and money for his number, and as a
> > > result I'm sure the first hint he or anyone else in his position gets
> > > that someone's attempting to devalue their credential, they lash out.
> > > I'm assuming this was triggered by you stating OER was a topic for
> > > your last two attempts. However, it's clearly documented at 2.8 of the
> > > R&S blueprint that OER is a topic you are expected to master for the
> > > exam. I'm not sure you would have received the same had you said BGP
> > > gave you a hard time.
> > > I have a blog, lots of my friends do, lots of people on this list do.
> > > Writing about topics in an educational delivery model, blog or wiki,
> > > helps reinforce your understanding of it. I for one encourage you do
> > > to so, and look forward to reading some of your efforts.
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Leigh Finch <leigh_at_leighfinch.net****
> >
> > > <mailto:leigh_at_leighfinch.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > At no point have I stated what was in my labs. My wiki is not
> > > designed to be a dump site. I have not written about what was in
> > > my labs. I'm covering broad topics with areas I need to work on.
> > >
> > > I won't post about it again.
> > >
> > > Thanks, leigh
> > >
> > >
> > > On 21/06/12 9:42 AM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
> > >
> > > This should read - "After getting walked out by the Proctors
> > > or denied my lab booking for BREAKING THE NDA by divulging
> > > what I faced on my previous attempts".
> > >
> > > Please let's be professional and not turn this into a dump
> > > board - you don't need to tell anyone (except your priest,
> > > rabbi, imam, wife or attorney) what was on your CCIE lab exam.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Joe
> > > #19366
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>****
> >
> > > [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>]
> > > On Behalf Of Leigh Finch
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:03 PM
> > > To: Cisco certification
> > > Subject: Studying for my fourth attempt
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > > I'm starting to ramp up for my fourth attempt. After getting
> > > destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2 attempts. I've
> > > decided to start writing wiki articles for each topic of the
> > > blueprint to ensure, I know something about every topic.
> > >
> > > I won't be writing everything about a topic, but I'll try my
> > > best to be correct. Hopefully, if I'm confident enough to
> > > publish something, I know it well enough and I'm not cheating
> > > myself.
> > >
> > > The first article I've written about is NTP. The rest of the
> > > wiki is just a skeleton at the moment.
> > >
> > >****
> >
> > > http://leighfinch.net/cisco_wiki/index.php/Network_Time_Protocol
> > >
> > > If you see something wrong please unicast me.
> > >
> > > Cheers, leigh
> > >
> > >
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