Re: CCIE Troubleshooting Rules

Hi Marc,

Ok. Thanks. So, as what was mentioned. i will practise it.

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 12:36 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> On my last attempt I tried to ask the proctor how specific we needed to be
> in modifying access-lists, and he would not give me a definitive answer. He
> said if we don't resrict it it is fair game. The restriction I had
> specifically said something very much like: Do not remove any config unless
> that is the only way to solve the ticket.
>
> So I took that to interpret that it is better to make an access-list say
> permit ip any any even if that means it is pointless, than to remove it.
>
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:28 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> 100% agree that reading the instructions is priority. I also got into
>> habbit of reading all tshoot tickets and configuration section before
>> banging around on keyboard. I did significantly better with that strategy.
>> In tshoot on IOU, reloads are instantaneous but I agree that it is really
>> an unnecessary. Reading all tickets and nailing out familiar ones allows
>> for more time on the involved ones.
>>
>> How about static null0 routes? remove or rest next hop?
>>
>> Some things chalk up to experience and I find it a little upsetting Cisco
>> gives low/ no guidance after taking an exam where your configuration was
>> off. I am not saying it is a little unfair, really very unfair.
>>
>> The more I study, the more I understand what it takes. But to
>> legitamately
>> call oneself CCIE takes an almost un human amount of intelligence and
>> exposure to the exam . It is not a best practices test and while the blue
>> print covers so much, we are only tested on a subset of what is in it.
>>
>> All food for thought.
>>
>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I would definitely suggest reading the instructions! What if something
>> > small changed or was updated since the last time you took the exam? Or
>> > if you hadn't taken it yet, what if something you were under the
>> > impression before taking the exam, was just completely wrong...idk, I
>> > think reading the instructions is a good thing...unless you're putting
>> > together a child's toy...then you absolutely don't read instructions
>> > because "it's a guy thing!"
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > Brad Ellis
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>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Vincent Tay
>> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:14 AM
>> > To: Stephen Lynch
>> > Cc: Maarten Vervoorn; john matijevic; Ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Re: CCIE Troubleshooting Rules
>> >
>> > Yeah. It make no sense say to amend the access list by permit ip any
>> > any. Instead, we can remove it from the interface to save time if allow.
>> > Anyone read the troubleshooting instructions in the actual exam?
>> > Definitely we do not want to spend time reading instructions in the exam
>> > when time is so precious.
>> >
>> > Vincent Tay
>> >
>> > On 25 May, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Stephen Lynch <slynch_at_absnt.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Assuming a ticket has no restrictions, and its been said in this
>> > > thread you should never remove configuration unless absolutely
>> > > necessary - what would you do in the following scenario? Let's just
>> > > say we need to ping 10.10.10.2 from a source of 10.10.10.1
>> > >
>> > > A) Remove sequence 10
>> > > B) Add a specific ICMP permit statement before sequence 10 for a
>> > > source
>> > > (10.10.10.1) and destination of (10.10.10.2)
>> > > C) If we remove sequence 10, this ACL no longer does anything so why
>> > > not just remove it?
>> > >
>> > > Router# show access-lists
>> > > *Extended IP access list DENY_ICMP*
>> > > * 10 deny icmp any any*
>> > > * 20 permit ip any any*
>> > >
>> > > By the way, vendors should really do a "Troubleshooting 101" video
>> > > talking about the restrictions and the best way to solve the tickets
>> > > given certain restrictions.
>> > >
>> > > -SL
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Maarten Vervoorn
>> > <mr.vervoorn_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Not sure if I would reload the routers and backup the config. I
>> > >> didn't in my exam. You have 2 hours and 11 tickets. This means
>> > >> avarage 10min per ticket. Reloading and backup the config a set of
>> > >> routers will take out lots of time which you could spend in
>> > troubleshooting the dificult tickets.
>> > >> During my exam I had the following appoach:
>> > >>
>> > >> 1. Troubleshoot the issue with show commands 2. If still the problem
>> > >> is not solved I would go for debug 3. fix the configuration issue 4.
>> > >> Verify the issue is solved 5. Go to the next ticket 6. If finished
>> > >> before the 2 hour I would spend the time verifying the fixes of the
>> > >> tickets again.
>> > >>
>> > >> Kind regards,
>> > >>
>> > >> Maarten Vervoorn
>> > >> CCIE#27144
>> > >>
>> > >> 2012/5/25 john matijevic <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>
>> > >>
>> > >>> Hello Team,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Good question on approach to Troubleshooting section:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> My strategy will be to fix config if there is error in order to fix
>> > >>> a particular section.
>> > >>> Then I will reload router or switch to make sure its still working
>> > >>> after I fix the problem on a router or set of routers, or switches.
>> > >>> Then I will save the config on that router and/or switches and any
>> > >>> other router or switch that I fixed.
>> > >>> I will use debugging as a troubleshooting tool, when I am fixed
>> > >>> issue I will turn off debugging when finished.
>> > >>> I will use notepad to copy config to so I can revert back to if
>> > >>> necessary if option of notepad is available.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Regards
>> > >>> John
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 5/25/12, Andrew Podosenin <andrew.podosenin_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>> I believe that they specifically state something like "fix without
>> > >>> disabling
>> > >>>> authentication". I think it is reasonable to ask the proctor in a
>> > >>> particular
>> > >>>> case.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Here is a question that I have - do we care in the TS section
>> > about:
>> > >>>> 1. Saving periodically
>> > >>>> 2. Saving at the end
>> > >>>> 3. Turning off all debugging
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Per my proctor this is optional in the TS. I wonder if this is
>> > >>>> really
>> > >> the
>> > >>>> case.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>> From: marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com>
>> > >>>> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> > >>>> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:42:38
>> > >>>> To: Vincent Tay<vtay.75_at_gmail.com>
>> > >>>> Reply-To: marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com>
>> > >>>> Cc: Ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > >>>> Subject: Re: CCIE Troubleshooting Rules
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> You should fix them rather than remove any config. Only removed
>> > >>>> config
>> > >> if
>> > >>>> it is the only way to solve the ticket.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Vincent Tay <vtay.75_at_gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Hi,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I am wondering.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Anyone knows the rules of troubleshooting for the CCIE R and S?
>> > >>>>> Are we allow to remove any misconfiguration statement such as
>> > >>>>> access-list, passwords or we can only amend and fix them to get
>> > >>>>> through the
>> > >> section?
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Regards
>> > >>>>> Vincent Tay
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
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