RE: INE OER free class!

> But whether it will go mainstream amongst other companies? Dunno. What if Google or someone similar were to open source the software they use? Would we see something similar to
> Linux, where companies buy commodity servers, and put free software on them? The SDN people would have you believe that is the future, but it could be a fair way off at the medium
> enterprise level. Maybe we'll see free/open source software on the switches, but the $$$ will be in the network controller applications? Who knows? Fun time to be in networking
> anyway!

There are companies that already do this, http://www.vyatta.com/ comes to mind off the top of my head. Lots of other people are taking their software that used to run on dedicated custom hardware and virtualizing it to run on anything. For example with F5 load balancers you can run these directly on your VM hosts and then do load balancing internally with virtual switches instead of having dedicated hardware that sits in front of your servers. Cisco already offers a version of Nexus that runs in VM. I believe a version of ASA is coming out soon that runs as a VM as well. Like you said it is a fun time to be in networking :)

Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
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Subject: Re: INE OER free class!

I think these are pretty specific use-cases. When you're rolling out thousands of these, you don't need the same service, support or training programs from the vendor - you're writing the software yourself. The vendors are just providing the tin. It's a pretty different story from what the average Enterprise business needs.

The Chinese-based companies that are selling lots of equipment to enterprises, etc. do have training programs. Look at Huawei, and what was H3C.

Given that Cisco likes to say they're a software company, then that would indicate that most of the R&D goes into software, right? So these companies producing cheap tin don't need large-scale R&D programs, if all they're doing is glueing merchant silicon chips onto boards.

Google has apparently gone mainstream with this sort of equipment - it's not just in their test networks.

But whether it will go mainstream amongst other companies? Dunno. What if Google or someone similar were to open source the software they use? Would we see something similar to Linux, where companies buy commodity servers, and put free software on them? The SDN people would have you believe that is the future, but it could be a fair way off at the medium enterprise level. Maybe we'll see free/open source software on the switches, but the $$$ will be in the network controller applications? Who knows? Fun time to be in networking anyway!

On 14/05/2012, at 8:04 AM, john matijevic wrote:

> Interesting Article,
> However, just because you may be able to get cheaper hardware in third
> world countries, doesn't mean you will get the same level or service
> and support as you do here in the United States. I wonder how much
> capital of these foreign companies goes towards Research and
> Development. And again how about support and training, I haven't seen
> any programs come out of China or Taiwan, but if they will be selling
> on a large scale such as Cisco and Juniper, you would think that there
> would be a training program in place. The reality I would assume is
> that Micosoft, Google, Amazon and others I am willing to bet have in
> place Cisco gear, perhaps a test network that would include other
> equpment, but would be hard to say if they will go mainstream. But no
> doubt that Virtualization has become common place among companies, I
> see many companies now consolidating servers, and hardware.
>
> just my .02 cents,
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
>
> On 5/13/12, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>> Google is building their own switches. It's really scary for vendors
>> when the biggest customers are building their own equipment.
>> Building your own can mean getting line rate 10gb ports for a small
>> fraction of what you would pay from a vendor. Here is an article
>> about a former Google employee who helps companies with projects like these.
>>
>> http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/03/google-microsoft-network
>> -gear/
>>
>> --
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>>
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>> On 05/13/2012 10:05 AM, john matijevic wrote:
>>> Good Afternoon Brian,
>>>
>>> Interesting link, if you have the presentation can you please send
>>> my way. It did not mention what type of OpenFlow switch google is
>>> using, would be nice to see the details of how this is implemented.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John
>>> On 5/13/12, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>> Centralized control, be it PfR or something similar, is the future.
>>>> Ironically you probably use a network that has centralized control
>>>> without knowing. Here is an interesting article in regards to how
>>>> Google is using Openflow:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371179/Google-describes-it
>>>> s-OpenFlow-network
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is interested in the slides from Google's presentation
>>>> let me know.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>
>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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>>>>
>>>> On 05/12/2012 06:34 PM, Radioactive Frog wrote:
>>>>> I was wondering,
>>>>> is there anybody using OEF/pfr in production yet?
>>>>>
>>>>> -frog
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Yuri Bank<yuribank_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> smart thinking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having a strong understanding of the core technologies (Layer2,
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> with that said, oer/pfr is a very interesting topic and fun to
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>>>>>> But purely on a academic level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just my 2 cents
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -yuri
>>>>>>
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