Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Thanks a lot Brian, should I have a basic understand to attend the session ?
Till now i haven't started studying this subject yet!

Mohammad
On Apr 28, 2012, at 4:02 PM, "Ivan Hrvatska" <ivanzghr_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Very good!
> Thanks.
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Nethan <nethandun_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> thanks Brian.. :)
>>
>> --
>> Nethan
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2012 10:02 AM, Imran Ali wrote:
>>>
>>> made my day !
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Mohammad
>>> Moghaddas<moghaddas.it_at_gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Thanks Brian.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 08:48, Stephen Lynch<slynch_at_absnt.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Excellent!
>>>>>
>>>>> -SL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:38 PM, Jay McMickle<jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Awesome! Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>>>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The session will be Wednesday May 16. I'll get the sign-up link and
>>>>>
>>>>> details out tomorrow. I'm planning on doing about 9 or 10 hours with
>>>>> the
>>>>> session being recorded in our classroom studio in Bellevue, WA. If you
>>>>> can't attend the live session don't worry as I'll make the recording
>>>>> available for anyone to download.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/26/2012 08:37 AM, Jay McMickle wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian @ INE stated he would put together an OER free session. Still
>>>>>
>>>>> yet to be seen, but I'm sure it's to come. ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>>>>>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Ivan Hrvatska<ivanzghr_at_gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just see "include me" replays here :) What about the thing where
>>>>>>>>> everyone wants to be included?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Viet-Hung Ton<vton_at_integra.fr>
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Plz include me too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Viet
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>>>>>>>> De: "Bruno Silva"<boss.silva_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> C: "Aamir Aziz"<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Lazar Adrian"<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>, "Brian Dennis"<
>>>>>
>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>>>>>> EnvoyC): Mardi 17 Avril 2012 22:00:22
>>>>>>>>>> Objet: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would like to be included as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>> Bruno
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Aamir Aziz<aamiraz77_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Brian
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Plz include me also.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thx
>>>>>>>>>>> Aamir
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Lazar Adrian<adrianlazar_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please also include me on the PFR document distribution list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered
>>>>>
>>>>> as much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That
>>>>
>>>> being
>>>>>
>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day
>>>>
>>>> R&S
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it
>>>>>
>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start
>>>>>
>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route
>>>>
>>>> manipulation,
>>>>>
>>>>> etc )
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups,
>>>>>
>>>>> fast mode,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink
>>>>>
>>>>> holing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic, etc).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better
>>>>>
>>>>> term,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> quirks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting
>>>>
>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> learning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
>>>>>
>>>>> throwing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you
>>>>
>>>> really
>>>>>
>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I
>>>>>
>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
>>>>>
>>>>> Think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that will work? No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list
>>>>
>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
>>>>>
>>>>> oer-map
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn
>>>>
>>>> list
>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or
>>>>>
>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP
>>>>>
>>>>> condition, etc,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due
>>>>>
>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes
>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>> IOS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but
>>>>>
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to
>>>>>
>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
>>>>>
>>>>> covered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR
>>>>
>>>> domains
>>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> future
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have
>>>>>
>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic
>>>>>
>>>>> is just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100
>>>>>
>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone
>>>>>
>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai
>>>>
>>>> this
>>>>>
>>>>> week
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but
>>>>>
>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to
>>>>>
>>>>> stop by.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th
>>>>
>>>> edition,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I
>>>>>
>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book
>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and
>>>>>
>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to
>>>>>
>>>>> understand the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task
>>>>>
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very
>>>>>
>>>>> complex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature? The book says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is
>>>>
>>>> remarkably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
>>>>>
>>>>> options.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the
>>>>>
>>>>> concepts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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