Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Hi guys,
                                                                    Brian will explain this topics from the ground or should I have a good understanding for that topic ?

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On Apr 17, 2012, at 5:46 PM, "marc edwards" <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I found a good primer for this on ciscolivevirtual.com under 2009-2010
> sessions BRKRST-2361 : An Introduction to Performance Routing.
>
> I uploaded slidedeck to
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6ODb-lpMS4fTEJTNUZmeFMzUEU
>
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> Thanks again Brian. Overwhelming intrest in this topic. Your session will
> equal audiences at a Metallica concert. We are looking forward to it!
>
> Regards,
>
> Marc
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Marcelo Demetrio
> <marcelodemetrio_at_me.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello Brian,
>>
>> I am very interested, if is possible, please include me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marcelo Demetrio
>>
>>
>> On 15/04/2012, at 02:26, Mohammad Khalil <eng_mssk_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In as well
>>>
>>> BR,
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>> CC: bdennis_at_ine.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> From: seyeabimbolu_at_gmail.com
>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:05:47 +0000
>>>>
>>>> Hello Brian,
>>>>
>>>> I am interested as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Oluseye
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry. wireless handheld.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mohammad Mousa <mohd-mousa_at_hotmail.com>
>>>> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:19:49
>>>> To: Alexander Halim<cisco.alexand_at_gmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Mohammad Mousa <mohd-mousa_at_hotmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Bryan Stair<uptown.ccie_at_gmail.com>; Ben Hughes<bhughes_at_imc.net.au>;
>> Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com>; Joe Sanchez<marco207p_at_gmail.com>;
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; marc abel<
>> marcabel_at_gmail.com>; Jay McMickle<jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>> Kindly Include me as well
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 6:09 PM, "Alexander Halim" <cisco.alexand_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please include me as well.
>>>>> BTW, none of us use PfR in production right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Alexander Halim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Bryan Stair <uptown.ccie_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please include me on the training
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ben Hughes <bhughes_at_imc.net.au>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Awesome, thanks Brian! I'm also in agreement it would be great to
>> have a
>>>>>>> more advanced class. I'd love to review the many pitfalls and
>> quirks you
>>>>>>> previously mentioned. I've been trying for days to get my routers
>> to force
>>>>>>> traffic based on DSCP through a particular BR to no avail. It would
>> be
>>>>>>> great to cover BRs connected with a GRE tunnel etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking forward to it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> Ben.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:
>> jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:
>>>>>>> jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:56:00 -0500
>>>>>>> To: marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> Cc: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>, Joe
>> Sanchez <
>>>>>>> marco207p_at_gmail.com<mailto:marco207p_at_gmail.com>>, "
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:
>>>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed. I'm in!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>>>>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:10 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:
>>>>>>> marcabel_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One suggestion, let's make this a semi advanced class. There are
>> plenty of
>>>>>>> resources out there that show how to setup a master and borders. I
>> think
>>>>>>> this group is clamoring for something a little deeper. Can we make
>> knowing
>>>>>>> the basics a pre-req?
>>>>>>> -Marc
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com
>> <mailto:
>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I would be more than happy to do an online presentation covering
>> PfR. I'm
>>>>>>> flying to NYC from Dubai tonight for a private CCIE bootcamp next
>> week and
>>>>>>> then I have a public bootcamp in Washington DC after that so next
>> weekend
>>>>>>> I'll be available. So if you all can be flexible we can try for next
>>>>>>> weekend. We can use our new streaming solution so that it's all
>> recorded
>>>>>>> in a format that everyone can download and view for the people who
>> can't
>>>>>>> attend.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>> On 04/12/2012 03:35 AM, Joe Sanchez wrote:
>>>>>>> How about this.... Someone (expert) on the subject of OER put
>> together a
>>>>>>> webex and let it roll.. I'm willing to sacrifice a Saturday and a
>> little $
>>>>>>> to get it rolling.
>>>>>>> It seems a lot of people are lacking confidence in the OER realm,
>>>>>>> including me... So what do you say?
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Joe Sanchez
>>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Imran Ali<immrccie_at_gmail.com<mailto:
>>>>>>> immrccie_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Brian ,
>>>>>>> A blog containing the link will be appreciated by all. However if
>> you
>>>>>>> want to unicast when master piece get ready , please include me in
>> cc.
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com
>> <mailto:
>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered as
>> much
>>>>>>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
>> said
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>>>>>>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it in
>> the
>>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start from
>> the
>>>>>>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation,
>> etc )
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
>> mode,
>>>>>>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink holing
>>>>>>> traffic, etc).
>>>>>>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better term,
>>>>>>> quirks
>>>>>>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>>>>>>> learning
>>>>>>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just
>> throwing
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really
>> need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I
>> want to
>>>>>>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
>> Think
>>>>>>> that will work? No.
>>>>>>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
>> oer-map
>>>>>>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list
>> you
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
>> to
>>>>>>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
>> etc,
>>>>>>> etc, etc.
>>>>>>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due to
>> the
>>>>>>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in IOS
>>>>>>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but it
>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to say
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently
>> covered in
>>>>>>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains in
>>>>>>> future
>>>>>>> releases.
>>>>>>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>>>>>>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic is
>> just
>>>>>>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100
>> pages
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone
>> would
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>>>>>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
>> charge
>>>>>>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp. It's
>>>>>>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
>> week
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but after
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to stop
>> by.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>>>>>>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I must
>>>>>>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book is
>>>>>>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and without
>>>>>>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to understand
>> the
>>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task at
>>>>>>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very complex
>>>>>>> feature? The book says:
>>>>>>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>>>>>>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
>> options.
>>>>>>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the concepts
>>>>>>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>>>>>>> Thanks.
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