RE: OER/PfR at lab exam?

In as well

BR,
Mohammad

> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
> CC: bdennis_at_ine.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> From: seyeabimbolu_at_gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:05:47 +0000
>
> Hello Brian,
>
> I am interested as well.
>
> Thanks,
> Oluseye
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry. wireless handheld.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mohammad Mousa <mohd-mousa_at_hotmail.com>
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> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:19:49
> To: Alexander Halim<cisco.alexand_at_gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Mohammad Mousa <mohd-mousa_at_hotmail.com>
> Cc: Bryan Stair<uptown.ccie_at_gmail.com>; Ben Hughes<bhughes_at_imc.net.au>; Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com>; Joe Sanchez<marco207p_at_gmail.com>; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; marc abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com>; Jay McMickle<jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>
> Hi Brian,
> Kindly Include me as well
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 14, 2012, at 6:09 PM, "Alexander Halim" <cisco.alexand_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Please include me as well.
> > BTW, none of us use PfR in production right?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alexander Halim
> >
> > On Apr 14, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Bryan Stair <uptown.ccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Please include me on the training
> >>
> >> Thx
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ben Hughes <bhughes_at_imc.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Awesome, thanks Brian! I'm also in agreement it would be great to have a
> >>> more advanced class. I'd love to review the many pitfalls and quirks you
> >>> previously mentioned. I've been trying for days to get my routers to force
> >>> traffic based on DSCP through a particular BR to no avail. It would be
> >>> great to cover BRs connected with a GRE tunnel etc.
> >>>
> >>> Looking forward to it!
> >>>
> >>> cheers,
> >>> Ben.
> >>>
> >>> From: Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>
> >>> Reply-To: Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:
> >>> jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>
> >>> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:56:00 -0500
> >>> To: marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>
> >>> Cc: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>, Joe Sanchez <
> >>> marco207p_at_gmail.com<mailto:marco207p_at_gmail.com>>, "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>> <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:
> >>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
> >>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
> >>>
> >>> Agreed. I'm in!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
> >>> Sent from iJay
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:10 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:
> >>> marcabel_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> One suggestion, let's make this a semi advanced class. There are plenty of
> >>> resources out there that show how to setup a master and borders. I think
> >>> this group is clamoring for something a little deeper. Can we make knowing
> >>> the basics a pre-req?
> >>> -Marc
> >>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:
> >>> bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> >>> I would be more than happy to do an online presentation covering PfR. I'm
> >>> flying to NYC from Dubai tonight for a private CCIE bootcamp next week and
> >>> then I have a public bootcamp in Washington DC after that so next weekend
> >>> I'll be available. So if you all can be flexible we can try for next
> >>> weekend. We can use our new streaming solution so that it's all recorded
> >>> in a format that everyone can download and view for the people who can't
> >>> attend.
> >>> --
> >>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
> >>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> >>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>> http://www.INE.com
> >>> On 04/12/2012 03:35 AM, Joe Sanchez wrote:
> >>> How about this.... Someone (expert) on the subject of OER put together a
> >>> webex and let it roll.. I'm willing to sacrifice a Saturday and a little $
> >>> to get it rolling.
> >>> It seems a lot of people are lacking confidence in the OER realm,
> >>> including me... So what do you say?
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Joe Sanchez
> >>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Imran Ali<immrccie_at_gmail.com<mailto:
> >>> immrccie_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> Brian ,
> >>> A blog containing the link will be appreciated by all. However if you
> >>> want to unicast when master piece get ready , please include me in cc.
> >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:
> >>> bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> >>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered as much
> >>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being said
> >>> I
> >>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
> >>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it in the
> >>> lab
> >>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start from the
> >>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation, etc )
> >>> and
> >>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast mode,
> >>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink holing
> >>> traffic, etc).
> >>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better term,
> >>> quirks
> >>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
> >>> learning
> >>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just throwing
> >>> you
> >>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really need
> >>> to
> >>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I want to
> >>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!". Think
> >>> that will work? No.
> >>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
> >>> with a
> >>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a oer-map
> >>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list you
> >>> need
> >>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how to
> >>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition, etc,
> >>> etc, etc.
> >>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due to the
> >>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in IOS
> >>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but it
> >>> can be
> >>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to say
> >>> that
> >>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently covered in
> >>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
> >>> documentation
> >>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains in
> >>> future
> >>> releases.
> >>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
> >>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic is just
> >>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100 pages
> >>> and
> >>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone would
> >>> like
> >>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
> >>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of charge
> >>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp. It's
> >>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this week
> >>> and
> >>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but after
> >>> that
> >>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to stop by.
> >>> --
> >>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
> >>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> >>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>> http://www.INE.com
> >>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
> >>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I must
> >>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book is
> >>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and without
> >>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to understand the
> >>> topic.
> >>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task at
> >>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very complex
> >>> feature? The book says:
> >>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
> >>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration options.
> >>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the concepts
> >>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
> >>> Thanks.
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