Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Hi Brian,
Kindly Include me as well
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On Apr 14, 2012, at 6:09 PM, "Alexander Halim" <cisco.alexand_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Please include me as well.
> BTW, none of us use PfR in production right?
>
> Regards,
> Alexander Halim
>
> On Apr 14, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Bryan Stair <uptown.ccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please include me on the training
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ben Hughes <bhughes_at_imc.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome, thanks Brian! I'm also in agreement it would be great to have a
>>> more advanced class. I'd love to review the many pitfalls and quirks you
>>> previously mentioned. I've been trying for days to get my routers to force
>>> traffic based on DSCP through a particular BR to no avail. It would be
>>> great to cover BRs connected with a GRE tunnel etc.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to it!
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>>
>>> From: Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>
>>> Reply-To: Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:
>>> jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>
>>> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:56:00 -0500
>>> To: marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>
>>> Cc: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>, Joe Sanchez <
>>> marco207p_at_gmail.com<mailto:marco207p_at_gmail.com>>, "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:
>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>>
>>> Agreed. I'm in!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>>> Sent from iJay
>>>
>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:10 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:
>>> marcabel_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> One suggestion, let's make this a semi advanced class. There are plenty of
>>> resources out there that show how to setup a master and borders. I think
>>> this group is clamoring for something a little deeper. Can we make knowing
>>> the basics a pre-req?
>>> -Marc
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:
>>> bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>> I would be more than happy to do an online presentation covering PfR. I'm
>>> flying to NYC from Dubai tonight for a private CCIE bootcamp next week and
>>> then I have a public bootcamp in Washington DC after that so next weekend
>>> I'll be available. So if you all can be flexible we can try for next
>>> weekend. We can use our new streaming solution so that it's all recorded
>>> in a format that everyone can download and view for the people who can't
>>> attend.
>>> --
>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> http://www.INE.com
>>> On 04/12/2012 03:35 AM, Joe Sanchez wrote:
>>> How about this.... Someone (expert) on the subject of OER put together a
>>> webex and let it roll.. I'm willing to sacrifice a Saturday and a little $
>>> to get it rolling.
>>> It seems a lot of people are lacking confidence in the OER realm,
>>> including me... So what do you say?
>>> Regards,
>>> Joe Sanchez
>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Imran Ali<immrccie_at_gmail.com<mailto:
>>> immrccie_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Brian ,
>>> A blog containing the link will be appreciated by all. However if you
>>> want to unicast when master piece get ready , please include me in cc.
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:
>>> bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered as much
>>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being said
>>> I
>>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it in the
>>> lab
>>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start from the
>>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation, etc )
>>> and
>>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast mode,
>>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink holing
>>> traffic, etc).
>>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better term,
>>> quirks
>>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>>> learning
>>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just throwing
>>> you
>>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really need
>>> to
>>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I want to
>>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!". Think
>>> that will work? No.
>>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>>> with a
>>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a oer-map
>>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list you
>>> need
>>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how to
>>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition, etc,
>>> etc, etc.
>>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due to the
>>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in IOS
>>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but it
>>> can be
>>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to say
>>> that
>>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently covered in
>>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>> documentation
>>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains in
>>> future
>>> releases.
>>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic is just
>>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100 pages
>>> and
>>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone would
>>> like
>>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of charge
>>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp. It's
>>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this week
>>> and
>>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but after
>>> that
>>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to stop by.
>>> --
>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> http://www.INE.com
>>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I must
>>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book is
>>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and without
>>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to understand the
>>> topic.
>>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task at
>>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very complex
>>> feature? The book says:
>>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration options.
>>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the concepts
>>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
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