Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Edwards- was that a statement or question? Pay you back- ?

I've got one, too. Let me know how I can help. My lab is in a few weeks, so I personally need this sooner than later. ;)

Regards,
Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
Sent from iJay

On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:23 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Some one pay me back. I got the webex :-D
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm in, but again and like Marc, I'm far from the expert. Marc use to host
>> his Friday Webex sessions, and this style worked well. I'd be happy to
>> learn this or that- who's the PfR expert?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>> Sent from iJay
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 6:44 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I will be there... but not the expert :)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Joe Sanchez <marco207p_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about this.... Someone (expert) on the subject of OER put together a
>>>> webex and let it roll.. I'm willing to sacrifice a Saturday and a
>> little $
>>>> to get it rolling.
>>>>
>>>> It seems a lot of people are lacking confidence in the OER realm,
>>>> including me... So what do you say?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Joe Sanchez
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Brian ,
>>>>>
>>>>> A blog containing the link will be appreciated by all. However if you
>>>>> want to unicast when master piece get ready , please include me in cc.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered as
>> much
>>>>>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being
>> said
>>>> I
>>>>>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>>>>>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it in
>> the
>>>> lab
>>>>>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start from
>> the
>>>>>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static & BGP route manipulation, etc
>> )
>>>> and
>>>>>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast
>> mode,
>>>>>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink holing
>>>>>> traffic, etc).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better term,
>>>> quirks
>>>>>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>>>> learning
>>>>>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just throwing
>>>> you
>>>>>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really need
>>>> to
>>>>>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I want
>> to
>>>>>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!".
>> Think
>>>>>> that will work? No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>>>> with a
>>>>>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a
>> oer-map
>>>>>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list you
>>>> need
>>>>>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how
>> to
>>>>>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition,
>> etc,
>>>>>> etc, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due to
>> the
>>>>>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in IOS
>>>>>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but it
>>>> can be
>>>>>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to say
>>>> that
>>>>>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently covered
>> in
>>>>>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>>>> documentation
>>>>>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains in
>>>> future
>>>>>> releases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>>>>>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic is
>> just
>>>>>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100 pages
>>>> and
>>>>>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone would
>>>> like
>>>>>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of
>> charge
>>>>>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp. It's
>>>>>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this
>> week
>>>> and
>>>>>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but after
>>>> that
>>>>>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to stop
>> by.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>>>>>>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I must
>>>>>>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book is
>>>>>>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and without
>>>>>>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to understand
>> the
>>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task at
>>>>>>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very complex
>>>>>>> feature? The book says:
>>>>>>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>>>>>>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration
>> options.
>>>>>>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the concepts
>>>>>>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
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