Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Good Afternoon Marko,

"However, the implementation can be challenging for various reasons,
some of which Brian so nicely summed up in his e-mail. This is where
vendor workbooks and other training material comes into play"

Can you please be more specific or give a specific example of how the
implementation can be challenging?

The documentation is very detail and specific, there are configuration
examples within the guide to help better understand the topic. I am
diving into the details as we speak making sure that I understand the
topic thoroughly.

I have not configured yet from the guide, but will make sure I do of
course, but am spending lots of time on the theory so that when I
apply I know why I am putting in the commands.

I used vendor books to pass the lab exam back in Version 3 days. Also,
did not have GNS and did not have partner resources, so had to. But
now we have gns we can implement, and the CCIE blueprint now is much
more detailed then the blueprint I had for Version 3. I will be
attempting lab exam with partner resources that I have access to, and
with cisco website. Not saying that I won't purchase a lab vendor
workbook, in the future, but I believe Cisco has all the documentation
well on their website. I'll let you all know after I take the lab in
August!!!

Regards,
John

On 4/11/12, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> Let me use one of my favorite comparisons (originally posted on GS sometime
> in 2001/2002 by Howard Berkowitz) - Reading about it is like reading about
> sex. You know everything, but you are dying to try.
>
> That means that after you've read through the configuration guide, you have
> all the information to go ahead and implement it. However, the
> implementation can be challenging for various reasons, some of which Brian
> so nicely summed up in his e-mail. This is where vendor workbooks and other
> training material comes into play. We pick up where the documentation left
> (in some cases even before when docs are terribly wrong, but I digress) and
> carry you to the place where you need to be to pass the lab.
>
> On the subject of OER/PfR, again, more than a year ago a colleague of mine
> Tyson Scott did a fantastic vLecture on that subject. You can find the
> recorded vLecture here: http://bit.ly/vLecture (Performance
> Routing/Optimized Edge Routing).
>
> --
> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S)
> Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 09:56, john matijevic
> <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>>
>> "The guide is a good
>> > glance over for the topics you need to know but its the vendor materials
>> > that will really dig in and give you your money's worth."
>>
>> This seems to me a vague statement.
>> Can you please be more specific on how the vendor material will really dig
>> in?
>>
>> Please provide an example if possible.
>>
>> Regards,,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/11/12, Tom Kosa (takosa) <takosa_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>> > Speaking from experience I would agree with Adam. The guide is a good
>> > glance over for the topics you need to know but its the vendor materials
>> > that will really dig in and give you your money's worth. The written is
>> > more about theory and book, and the lab is what you really know and can
>> > you actually apply it. I made the same mistake on my first try and there
>> > were huge gaps in my knowledge base going into it. Pick a vendor (they
>> > are actually all very good) and go to town. If you are serious about it
>> > than your money will not be wasted.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > -Tamas
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Adam Booth
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:01 PM
>> > To: Ivan Hrvatska
>> > Cc: Cisco certification
>> > Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>> >
>> > Hi Ivan,
>> >
>> > I personally felt that book was more useful in consolidating material in
>> > one place to support attempting the written exam and even then the
>> > blueprint as you say does cover more topics than what the book can cover
>> > in detail otherwise it may be 2500 pages or more in length.
>> >
>> > I cant tell you exactly how much detail you have to know but I would
>> > strongly recommend a more than passing acquaintance with it.
>> > Supplementary material besides what you find on CCO is a number of the
>> > major CCIE training vendors have multiple postings covering this on
>> > their blogs and certainly understanding the main phases of the PfR
>> > process will be helpful if you are a little rusty and have to deal with
>> > the topic.
>> >
>> > I think preparing for the CCIE lab is like being a scout, you need to be
>> > prepared, anything listed on the blue print is fair game and sometimes
>> > it seems that the proctor can smell your weakness and give you an exam
>> > that has that topic in it.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Adam
>> >
>> > On 4/11/12, Ivan Hrvatska <ivanzghr_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>> >> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I must
>> >> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book is
>> >> really poor. One config example without any explanations and without
>> >> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to understand the
>> >
>> >> topic.
>> >> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task at
>> >> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very complex
>> >> feature? The book says:
>> >> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>> >> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration options.
>> >> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the concepts
>> >> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>
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