Re: PhD vs CCIE

You don't typically get stats out of any one university for how many
PhD's they've awarded either, so it's moot anyway. :)

As for the generalist, wouldn't that really depend on what kind of
project someone was on? Not everyone needs to know everything.

And quite honestly, by your description, I'd call that a multiple CCIE. :)

On 3/6/12 1:25 PM, Bill6521 wrote:
> Thats a nice question Narbikk. The answer is no but for one reason - PhDs are
> awarded by many universities but CCIEs are only awarded by one company. Is the
> question therefore do we really need so many types of CCIE or could we
> consolidate them into a more generalist CCIE. Doesnt the whole concept of UC
> for example mean for example that we need a more generalist sort of CCIE again
> ie what CCIE discipline doesnt have a high proportion of Routing and Switching
> ? Couldnt we revert back to a three day CCIE where you did the core as Routing
> and Switching and then the other two days in the specialist areas - security,
> wireless, service provider, etc
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> To: Bill6521 <bil6521_at_netscape.net>
> CC: joe <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>; jazzsunn <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; ccielab
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:18
> Subject: Re: PhD vs CCIE
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> Few years ago we had one or two tracks, these days we have more tracks. Do we
> know the number of people who have their PHDs?
>
>
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>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Bill6521 <bil6521_at_netscape.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> Agreed and why do you think there are now 26,000 CCIEs against 10,000 a few
> years ago - even certification is a money making business - I estimated I
> spent around $30000 on getting my CCIE - between courses , labs, exams,
> bootcamps , time of work - and I didnt pass it first time. I think there is
> only a 20% first time pass rate now and that means a lot of money to someone.
>
> And by the way I dont mind people making money out of me - even on
> certification as long as I get value for money.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>
> To: Bill6521 <bil6521_at_netscape.net>; jazzsunn <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; ccielab
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>
> Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:34
> Subject: RE: PhD vs CCIE
>
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> Ib d bet dollars to cents 10,000+ of the 17,320 R/S guys are emeritusb&
>
> If Cisco didnb t do that the cert would look like it isnb t as valuable as
> it was in 1999 and they couldnb t make as much money selling training for it
>
>
>
> From: Bill6521 [mailto:bil6521_at_netscape.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:29 AM
> To: Joseph L. Brunner; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: PhD vs CCIE
>
>
>
> Hi Joseph,
>
>
>
> Read my article in CCIE Flyer. Nor did they break it down by age or sex or
> nationality.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>
> To: jazzsunn <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; Bill6521 <bil6521_at_netscape.net>; ccielab
>
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:22
> Subject: RE: PhD vs CCIE
>
> Notice they don't break down how many "Emeritus"
>
> LOL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: jazzsunn_at_gmail.com [mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:15 AM
> To: Joseph L. Brunner; Bill6521; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>
> Subject: Re: PhD vs CCIE
>
> According to LTRCC-3000.pdf (updated 1/9/12, available on
> ciscolivevirtual.com),
> there are 26,634 currently certified CCIEs.
> RS - 17,320
> Sec - 3794
> SP - 2885
> Voice - 2291
> SAN - 170
> Wireless - 93
> CCDE - 63
> SP Ops - 11
> CCAr - 7
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>
> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:07:02
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> To: Bill6521<bil6521_at_netscape.net>;
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Reply-To: "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>
> Subject: RE: PhD vs CCIE
>
> No there are far less CCIE's than that - many older lions are retiring from
> the
> business.
>
> Of that number how many are current on today's technologies?
>
> Don't sell yourself short - I had a job req out at a client in 2009 for a
> CCIE
> at $225,000 or so - the first 50 guys we interviewed could not explain how
> DHCP
> worked :) (DoRa for those of you that know)
>
> "how many good ones"
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill6521
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:57 AM
> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
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>
>
> Subject: Fwd: PhD vs CCIE
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I think we are all missing the point here the discussion from my point of
> view
> is "employability" and here is my perspective. Today I understand there are
> over
> 30,000 CCIEs thats three times what there was a few years ago and even
> 7,000 more then when I got my number. Gone are the days when employers would
> be
> lucky about getting one CCIE and we were literally regarded as "network
> gods".
> We are competing against "each other" and in a highly competitive world
> - even as CCIEs. In that competitive world you have to give yourself an
> "edge"
> a something extra - what I would suggest is dont just bank on getting
> employed
> because you are a CCIE - and dont forget some off us are also getting
> employed
> because we have track records as well as being CCIEs. Most employment
> agents/HR
> departments do a word trawl in the first instance and the more edge you have
> the
> more likely you have to move to the next stage of interview etc thats what
> these
> certifications do for you - and dont also be a one trick pony
> - consider doing a JNCIE or HP Master ASE as well as another CCIE.
>
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