Re: PhD vs CCIE

Hi Mihai,

Already answered that to Imran earlier but here it is again. But in a nutshell
in most countries outside the USA a lot of companies dont work directly with
Cisco we either work through partners or other service providers as part of a
complete package. I know many CCIEs in Europe who have never directly
communicated with the Cisco TAC for years - we communicate with the service
provider who communicates with the TAC.

I will try. In Europe, apart from independents/freelancers, all permanent
CCIEs normally work with a Cisco Partner and associate their number with that
partner, Eman wrote a nice article on this by the way. Most service level
contracts therefore where CCIEs are employed in Europe are with a partner not
with Cisco direct. Many (I am not saying all) contracts in the USA - because
it is Ciscos home and because of geography among other reasons are direct
with Cisco. When we purchase service level contracts and equipment in Europe (
I believe also in Asia and other countries this is true as well(In fact
anywhere outside the USA) we always purchase through a partner. This means
there are a number of things that happen - since we are in a competitive world
and all partners are linked to Cisco there is very little profit margin on
equipment so a lot of contracts are won on the provision of associated
services not on the equipment itself. For example Cisco will also give a
bigger discount to a partner who gets "network discovery" done on their
network so some of them get their business by doing that. Before you reach the
Cisco TAC you have to go via the partners SOC/NOC and they escalate to the TAC
you dont go direct. The main players in Europe/ROW (Outside USA) are the three
Global Partners (there used to be four but I believe HP is no longer one) who
were IBM, O2, and Dimension Data. There are also legal and commercial reasons
why Cisco does this. Try sending equipment into the EU from an American
supplier directly. Try buying Cisco equipment from China (where believe me it
is cheaper) and exporting into the EU. In general before the rules regarding
the big three (3) global partners were changed we used companies like
Getronics etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
To: Bill6521 <bil6521_at_netscape.net>
CC: ccielab <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:12
Subject: Re: PhD vs CCIE

sir,

can you highlight the difference with USA-CCIE VS europe-ccie with regards to
operations and work ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mihai Grigore <mihai.grigore_at_onlinehome.de>
To: 'Bill6521' <bil6521_at_netscape.net>; ccielab <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:05
Subject: RE: PhD vs CCIE

Can you please elaborate on the differences between how CCIEs operate in US
nd Europe?
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ill6521
ent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 7:18 PM
o: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
ubject: PhD vs CCIE
Hi Guys,
Just had a thought and my apologies about this if am I wrong but have many
f you guys really had international experience by that I mean not just the
dd business trips to Rio, Paris, London or Rome to do a bit of install ,
onfiguration etc but a real international project - say of 18 months
uration etc. I mean I was talking to my USA colleagues on a project here
nd the differences between how CCIEs operate and are regarded in the USA
nd in Europe for example are staggering. The differences are not just via
anguage but also cultural - as I am sure we are seeing now. By the way true
nternational experience is regarded as a big plus by most companies.

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Received on Tue Mar 06 2012 - 15:13:02 ART