Re: 50Mb across the country in 6 seconds

When you are calculating maximum theoretical throughput with TCP,
which is what I was explaining it doesn't. It doesn't matter if you
have a 1Mbps or a 10Gbps link, the calculations for theoretical
maximum THROUGHPUT will be the same. Look it up. If you have enough
bandwidth to actually push the theoretical maximum throughput that is
great, but the bandwidth is not part of the equation.

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Carlos G Mendioroz <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar> wrote:
> Joe, you make it sound like link speed does not make it into the equation,
> when it obviously does.
>
> The magnitude that usually is important in making good use of a link
> capabilities is BDP, Bandwidth Delay Product. As links get faster,
> and latencies go up, the BDP of a link grows above what the control
> protocol is able to use, and then you are unable to really use
> all of your link capacity.
>
> If the control protocol is TCP or TCP based, window size makes impossible to
> keep sending data at link speed and your performance
> gets capped. But that is a control protocol defect, and hence can
> be relieved by using, e.g, WAAS. (or paralelizing with many streams,
> or...)
>
> Bottom line: I believe that 50 MB xfer in 6 seconds is doable.
> And, more important to the 1st message, MTU has little to do with it.
>
> -Carlos
>
>
> Joe Astorino @ 03/03/2012 21:00 -0300 dixit:
>
>> Sorry I meant RTT and window size not MSS. TCP throughput in bits per
>> second can be calculated as window size in bits / RTT in milliseconds
>>
>> You always have to take latency into the equation and it makes a huge
>> difference as latency goes up. TCP window scaling can help
>> dramatically but make sure you do not have unrealistic expectations.
>> Maximum theoretical tcp throughput as you see here is a function of
>> RTT and window size not link speed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/3/12, Joe Astorino<joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can't forget to take into account the L4 transport mechanism. TCP
>>> will obviously have some impact on the speed because of the
>>> acknowlegement nature of the protocol.
>>>
>>> Ultimately your throughput calculation will have to consider RTT and
>>> MSS if you are dealing with TCP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/3/12, Jersey Guy<guy.jersey_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Gents. This DBA guy tells me he copied a 50Mb file from his
>>>> machine
>>>> in New Jersey to a server in California in 6 seconds. I told him that's
>>>> not
>>>> possible because the smallest link in the path is 1Gb/sec but MTU is
>>>> 1500,
>>>> so even if you take wire speed, it would be at least 33 seconds before
>>>> the
>>>> file was copied. Am I wrong in saying so?
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
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