Re: OT: CCIE != PhD

completely agree with you on this . i am one of few engineers who are
married + spends 4 hours in travelling daily .

it is becoming extreemly challenging at the moment to find time to study .

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 8:27 AM, OLUSEGUN DADA <engrenny_at_hotmail.com> wrote:

> No matter how understanding she is, there is always going to be a
> different because a woman will always be a woman
>
> Regards
> Dada Olusegun
> CCIE#32395, CEH, JNCIS
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry. Smartphone, from Etisalat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Rajaratne <don.rajaratne_at_gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 04:48:54
> To: <aaron1_at_gvtc.com>; <negron.paul_at_gmail.com>; <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>; <
> niedentj_at_hotmail.com>
> Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: OT: CCIE != PhD
>
> As long as if you have an understanding wife, that's all it matters.
>
> Don.
> Sent from my BlackBerry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Aaron" <aaron1_at_gvtc.com>
> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:38:03
> To: 'Paul Negron'<negron.paul_at_gmail.com>; 'Radioactive Frog'<
> pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>; 'Travis Niedens'<niedentj_at_hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: "Aaron" <aaron1_at_gvtc.com>
> Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: RE: OT: CCIE != PhD
>
> Since Paul brought family into the discussion...allow me to expound on that
> my feelings...
>
> I was single (unmarried) when I attained a Bachelors in Computer Science
> while holding a full time active career in the US Marines as a Staff
> Sergeant.
>
> I'm now married with 7 children and trying to get a CCIE. (I've also heard
> college is very hard when you have a wife and children also)
>
> I think this is one of the most difficult things I've ever done....try to
> get a CCIE while being a full time Sr Net Eng, father and husband...
>
> I think it would be one thing to attain the CCIE... but it's a whooole
> other
> thing to cross the finish line of CCIE and have my wife and children proud
> and happy for me, not resenting the CCIE that dad/hubby neglected them
> while
> pursuing. Paul thanks for the reminder....I needed it.
>
> I DO NOT want a CCIE if it means I have to be at odds with my wife,
> children
> and others over it.
>
> After all, when you are old and grey and perhaps breathing your last
> breath,
> do you want to be surrounded at your bed side by a bunch of GS'ers!! Ha, no
> of course not....you want the ones who you love (your family) around
> you....
> I'll end with that.
>
> Aaron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Paul
> Negron
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 8:49 PM
> To: Radioactive Frog; Travis Niedens
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: CCIE != PhD
>
> I've always said. You need to be able to take of your family at the end of
> the day.Hopefully you can help take care of others as well. Everything else
> is just a stroke job for your ego.
>
> Paul
> --
> Paul Negron
> CCIE# 14856 CCSI# 22752
> Senior Technical Instructor
>
>
>
> > From: Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
> > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:24:07 +1100
> > To: Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>
> > Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE != PhD
> >
> > Completely agreed with Travis.
> >
> > Two completely different things.
> >
> > With CCIE we're not inventing or doing anything new but just like a Chef
> > show on the Tele.
> > Who can cook, and how accurate it is.
> >
> > I guess at the end what really count is that your interest.
> > The matter of the fact is that if you're really clever and have great
> idea
> > to develop something, you should not do CCIE at all - go for PhD. (there
> > would be an arguments that why do PhD if you've great ideas, inventive
> > mind).
> >
> >
> > However, if you're just doing a PhD without any great invention in mind
> > (which most people do), then one would be better off with doing CCIE.
> >
> > Remember CCIE pays more than PhD ::)
> >
> > ccAr is definitely interesting.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I usually don't speak out about this stuff however I have noticed way
> too
> >> many people comparing the CCIE to the PhD and quite frankly I find that
> an
> >> absurd comparison. Anyone who has worked on their Masters and PhD can
> >> attest to the rigor that is required for the PhD as well as the process
> >> involved and final goals. If you look at the CCIE it is a test that
> >> encompasses:
> >>
> >> - A CISCO specific technology line
> >> - Each test set has a fixed set of possible exams that are updated and
> >> swapped time to time to avoid cheating
> >> - Only requires configuration and troubleshooting - again, heavy Cisco
> >> specific focus
> >> - Graded by a system, confirmed by a human
> >> - 8 hours to prove that you have absorbed enough knowledge to configure
> >> things the Cisco way
> >>
> >>
> >> The PhD is not this at all, in fact the PhD's main goal is for the
> student
> >> to learn enough about their area of interest so they can build a thesis,
> go
> >> out and scientifically research it and then DEFEND it and add to the
> body
> >> of human knowledge. While we all spend thousands of dollars, hundreds if
> >> not thousands of hours in labs / working and hours weekly responding to
> GS,
> >> with the CCIE we are not creating anything new for the body of human
> >> knowledge. I don't say this lightly as I know the vendors work hard on
> >> their materials however if you look at two of them side by side you will
> >> see many of the same configurations as that's the way Cisco programmed
> the
> >> IOS parser to handle the magic.
> >>
> >> There are key milestones in the PhD process / journey including:
> >>
> >> - Research classes
> >> - Academic writing classes
> >> - Colloquia
> >> - Comps
> >> - Thesis Research
> >> - Thesis Dissertation
> >> - Thesis Defense
> >>
> >> Keep in mind that most universities have a 2 times and then out policy -
> >> thus meaning if you fail your comps or defense twice, you are out. You
> have
> >> just spent 10's of thousands of dollars and years on your thesis and
> >> education and failed.
> >>
> >> In comparison, Cisco allows you to take the CCIE over and over and over
> >> and requires no original contribution to the field of
> >> networking/security/voice/SP, etc. This is just to gain revenue and
> ensure
> >> Cisco skilled workers in IT worldwide.
> >>
> >> As I see it, the closest thing to a PhD Cisco has now is the CCAr. While
> >> Cisco's path to making and expanding this program has been rather
> lengthy
> >> and slow, I do hope that they continue to push it. The Ar cannot be
> >> accomplished by just any testking and requires a defense. In addition it
> >> requires an initial response to questions, similar to comps, and they
> MUST
> >> be acceptable before moving on to the panel phase.
> >>
> >> So here's how I see it:
> >>
> >> Associates (2 years) - CCxA *
> >> Bachelors (4 years) - CCxP *
> >> Masters (6 years) - CCIE *
> >> PhD (8+ years) - CCAr
> >>
> >> Good luck in your studies!
> >>
> >> Travis
> >>
> >>
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