Re: CCO Downloads.- please stop

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On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:

> Can we kill this topic? This is a CCIE study group. Not an anti-Cisco
> list. Go find HP's group study. If you have a complaint against Cisco, you
> shouldn't be pursuing their elite certification.
>
> Jus sayin'.
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
> Sent from iJay
>
> On Feb 24, 2012, at 10:51 PM, "Ryan Lindfield" <ryan_at_westchasetech.com>
> wrote:
>
> > HP Networking is 3% of HP's value according to treffis.com so a net
> loss of 44% doesn't relate to networking. From other reports I've seen HP
> is gaining ground in the networking world as Cisco gains ground in the
> server / blade server market.
> >
> > The last report I saw showed Cisco as #2 in x86 blade servers in North
> America passing IBM & Dell. But that doesn't mean they are stealing market
> share from HP.
> >
> > I think both Cisco & HP are gaining market share, while they may not be
> taking it from the other or taking it marginally, a lot of smaller vendors
> are getting squished as the titans duke it out. HP is as likely to displace
> Cisco from networking as Cisco is to take the computing lead away from HP.
> In the server world there are guys that swear by HP, and of course others
> that swear at it. (I like UCS personally)
> >
> > What's killing HP is that many consumers don't need PC's they just want
> a laptop. And when people buy laptops, smart ones anyhow are going to
> Apple, those that don't really need a laptop are going to tablets, and
> their not buying HP here either. Another debate entirely, just pretend I
> didnb t say the Apple part and keep going.
> >
> > There are lots of angles to pick and choose from, all-in-all the H3C/HP
> platform is quite capable, and as a consumer I appreciate the competition,
> I've been able to score great deals on cisco servers and HP networking
> equipment over the last two years, and I have a happy/ healthy mixed
> environment in different environments. The competition helps the consumers
> in the end. As a consultant I make the same, and I don't feel like either
> company is looking out for me in any way.
> >
> > Cisco's big advantage that Jonathan points out is the all-in-one
> security solution. It's obviously not a single product, but a portfolio
> that encompasses everything from anyconnect running on your ipad to 802.1x
> / mac sec, iron port coupled with botnet filter, leading market share on
> switches which results in ubiquitous user experience, down to the hot new
> asa1000v coupled with Nexus 1000v.Cisco has a product for every scenario
> (except event monitoring RIP MARS) and is the only vendor offering complete
> end-to-end solution working in nearly-perfect harmony. Nobody else in the
> industry can touch this. They're selling a broad collection of "point
> products".
> >
> > Just comparing switches to switches though, if you're not tasting the
> wares from the other vendors and blindly buying Cisco you may be missing
> out.
> >
> > In summary, don't dislike the other vendors without spending some time
> on the other vendors. If you've got 100 hours on HP / Juniper, then sure
> tell me how Cisco's better, but if you haven't put in some stick-time on
> them, and aren't reading anything but Cisco it's time to take off the
> blinders and quit drinking their Kool-aid.
> >
> > Try to remember the relationship of who-needs-who, and look at how this
> conversation got started.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Greenwood II
> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:48 PM
> > To: Joseph L. Brunner
> > Cc: Radioactive Frog ; JB Poplawski ; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com ; Travis
> Niedens ; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
> >
> > Hey Joe,
> >
> > I guess our facts of life are different, but the process to get
> > re-furbished gear back on smartnet is not like it use to be and the
> premium
> > you pay might as well buy it legitmately. Just went through this with a
> > customer who exclusively used NHR in the past until the recent policy
> > change enforced by Cisco for CCO downloads/hardware replacements via
> > smartnet contracts.
> >
> > For small mom and pop's or fortune1000/2000's as you like to classify
> that
> > don't run advanced features like voice/video/security such as dot1x
> posture
> > checking down to the access layer you're right, they can go with a switch
> > from Walmart to do that. Most organizations that have that setup are
> > actually rip/replacing that crap because they want the
> > security/collaboration and feature sets of an advanced network. With all
> > the rampant hacking security is hot right now in most organizaitons and
> I'm
> > seeing NAC solutions flying out the door which requires an access switch
> > capable of some advanced features from any vendor. Those procurves/dells
> > are being given away because they're dead weight :) But when I speak of
> > market share I speak globally not just here in the US so your #'s are way
> > off buddy.
> >
> > Brocade is on the verge of being sold or spinning of their ethernet side
> of
> > house because they're selling their crap so cheap just to get a foot in
> the
> > door that the low margins are actually hurting them. HP is doing the
> same
> > with their gear as well and not making any money off of it at the end of
> > the day. Juniper is making some strides on the ethernet side at the cost
> > of loosing focus on their firewalls/SP routing domain that they've always
> > done well with which is not good.
> >
> > I follow the trends pretty well and it's definitely not tight for Cisco,
> > but more so for HP if you caught the latest news from Meg Whitman. Here
> > are few recent articles and one from the biggest Cisco basher I know "Jim
> > Duffy" from network world so I can point to something who is definitely
> not
> > pro-Cisco:
> >
> > IDC's Worldwide Quarterly Enterprise Networks Tracker Shows Record
> Ethernet
> > Switch Results; Router Market Declines
> > http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23338212
> >
> > Pay specific attention to this line in the article:
> >
> > From a vendor perspective, Cisco's Ethernet switch (Layer 2/3) market
> share
> > in 4Q11 came in at 64.3%, reflecting a significant improvement from
> earlier
> > in the year. On a relative basis, Cisco continues to be strong in the
> 10GbE
> > segment where it now has 69.5% of the market in 4Q11.
> >
> > Whitman gives HP harsh report card, outlines recovery plan
> >
> >
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-25
> > 6474.html
> >
> > Cisco Q4 Ethernet switch revenue up, HP's down
> >
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022412-cisco-ethernet-switch-256544.htm
> > l?hpg1=bn
> >
> > What info are you referring to so I can reference???
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
> > <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Johnathan,****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> In the Lan switching market HP procurve alone has a 30% market share
> so
> >> check your facts again you re also forgetting that most CIO/CTO s would
> >> not answer a survey but quietly buy HP procurve and now many times my
> >> biggest Fortune 1000 Clients are getting Free Dell Switches with their
> >> server purchases as a sweetner Next up let s talk about the
> hundreds of
> >> Fortune 2000 s (I have several clients in this group also) that ONLY
> >> purchase Cisco from Network Hardware Resellers, Myriad Supply, Ebay,
> etc.*
> >> ***
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> In fact the ONLY thing my customers seem to buy from Cisco is Smartnet
> on
> >> old Cisco gear (cause ASA s and 3750 s from 2008 still work) and Call
> >> Manager Licensing. We even got a Nexus 7010 from a reseller recently
> so
> >> trust me it s a tight time for Cisco as people like google and
> facebook
> >> give away free IT CIO s and CTO s think this means ALL IT should cost
> >> less.****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Sorry man. Fact of life****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> *From:* Jonathan Greenwood II [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com]
> >> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 9:54 PM
> >> *To:* Radioactive Frog
> >> *Cc:* Joseph L. Brunner; JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; Travis
> >> Niedens; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: CCO Downloads.****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> I doubt it with their weak polycom handsets and no support for
> >> acd/contactcenters. Not to mention the hardware required for the
> >> infrastructure is a bit ridiculous and honestly a turnoff. They have
> years
> >> to go before they even create a reasonable footprint to measure for
> market
> >> share.****
> >>
> >> I keep hearing all of this Cisco market share eroding and the question I
> >> have is to who??? HP 9% Juniper 2% Brocade 3% anybody else less than
> 1%.
> >> ****
> >>
> >> I applaud Cisco for protecting their brand and not allowing it free for
> >> all, because it makes the training/certification much more valuable.
> All
> >> the other vendors have the same approach, so what's the big deal???****
> >>
> >> On Feb 24, 2012 6:11 PM, "Radioactive Frog" <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:**
> >> **
> >>
> >> Watch out the Microsoft Lync in the next few years. It will wipe out
> >> Cisco,s UC market.
> >>
> >> Lync now supports multitenancy, goes to Service providers Domain.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Friday, February 24, 2012, Travis Niedens wrote:
> >>
> >> > Way too much land. I was in buildings J/K when they were supposed to
> >> build
> >> > more before the layoff in 2001.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;> [mailto:
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> >> <javascript:;>]
> >> > On Behalf Of
> >> > Joseph L. Brunner
> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:05 PM
> >> > To: JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>
> >> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
> >> > Subject: RE: CCO Downloads.
> >> >
> >> > Yes - I also have a sick smartnet with many asa's, 3800's, 6509's, etc
> >> but
> >> > I
> >> > was not able to download software for the 2651XM!
> >> >
> >> > HAHAH
> >> >
> >> > I guess Cisco has 2 choices
> >> >
> >> > 1. Sell all that land they acquired under John Morgidge in San Jose 2.
> >> Lock
> >> > down CCO in hopes people would buy more Smartnet contracts...
> >> >
> >> > Guess that's all you can do when your eroding market share year after
> >> year
> >> > in the Enterprise Switch, Core Router and Firewall Market, huh?
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;> [mailto:
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> >> <javascript:;>]
> >> > On Behalf Of JB
> >> > Poplawski
> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:06 PM
> >> > To: jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>
> >> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
> >> > Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
> >> >
> >> > I have 2600's in a lab, end of life routers. GNS3? What gives? I
> can
> >> > download 65XX, 3750X, 28,29, 18XX.
> >> >
> >> > Kind of frustrating that I'm studying for a lab (Third attempt) and
> >> running
> >> > into issues of downloading IOS.
> >> > JB
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM, <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > It must have finally caught up to you, but Cisco requires that you
> >> > > have a service agreement for the device you're wanting to download
> >> > software for.
> >> > > Sent via BlackBerry
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> >> > > Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
> >> > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:55:59
> >> > > To: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>>
> >> > > Reply-To: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> >> > > Subject: CCO Downloads.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone having download issues of images? I used to be able to
> >> > > download most anything, now it seems they bolted down the hatches.
> >> > > Makes life hard for my 3600 lab.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone?
> >> > > JB
> >> > >
> >> > >
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