Re: CCO Downloads.

Sorry this spiraled out of control. I'm still waving the Cisco flag, just
sucks to have to resort to torrents for IOS for GNS and my 8 -2600's, 3
-1841's, 2 - 3550 and 2 - 3560.

Just re-passed my written (it's been 3 years) and I'm on my third attempt.

Thanks all for the comments!
JB

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 25, 2012, at 10:13 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

no problem. i really want off this list. i have tired. might have to send
off email to moderator as doesn't seem to work. anybody help me with this.
seems like that would make the masses happy anyways.

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> LOL sorry, not trying to add fuel to the fire or engage in vendor
> warfare... just wanted to help call out the facts. Back to CCIE/CCDE
> studies!
> On Feb 25, 2012 11:06 AM, "marc edwards" <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> unsubscribe ccielab renorider_at_gmail.com
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Also, why would someone position 3750G to support wire-speed iSCSI
>>> storage
>>> in the data center in the first place? It's not a switch architecture
>>> that's recommended for that application. The HP switch may outperform it
>>> and may be cheaper, and that's great, but it was a bad design to begin
>>> with...
>>> On Feb 25, 2012 10:34 AM, "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > FYI - Nexus 7000 supports 768 line rate (non-blocking) 10GE ports in a
>>> > single chassis w/ 7018 and Fab 2 / F2 line cards...
>>> > On Feb 24, 2012 11:31 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.crn.com/news/networking/231001334/hp-touts-share-gains-in-networki
>>> >> ng-war-with-cisco.htm<
>>> http://www.crn.com/news/networking/231001334/hp-touts-share-gains-in-networking-war-with-cisco.htm
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Hp Procurve Junk huh?
>>> >>
>>> >> Did you know the Procurve 3500YL's back plane is FASTER than the best
>>> >> Cisco
>>> >> 3750-x's for < the price??? (You do backups and iSCSI, right?)
>>> 173Gbps
>>> >> back
>>> >> plane for the procurve vs 160Gbps for the best Cisco 3750x...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.hp.com/rnd/pdfs/ProCurve_Switch_5400zl_Series_Reviewers_Guide.pdf
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> At even higher speeds, Brocade products are the only ones we use for
>>> 10Gbe
>>> >> iSCSI (resold as the Dell 8024) want to know why? Cause the Cisco's
>>> have
>>> >> tiny
>>> >> shallow asics that drop frames during a vmotion. Perhaps you would
>>> like
>>> >> me to
>>> >> show you a vmotion on a Nexus 5020 and a Dell (Brocade) 8024 side by
>>> side?
>>> >> Guess which one wins every time, given same server and SAN hardware?
>>> Guess
>>> >> which switch has faster read/write to 10Gbpe ISCSI attached san luns
>>> >> (again
>>> >> given same server and SAN hardware)?
>>> >>
>>> >> Also on the topic of storage, we got a Fortune 1000 company to swap
>>> out
>>> >> his
>>> >> 3750G's for HP 3500YL's. (ProCurve Switch 3500yl-48G-PWR Intelligent
>>> Edge
>>> >> (J8693A)
>>> >>
>>> >> The CIO and his team were experiencing data loss and sluggish
>>> performance
>>> >> doing Citrix Xenserver Xenmotion's as well as Xen PVS desktop
>>> >> provisioning.
>>> >> His Citrix consultants were lost, so I simply looked at the port
>>> counters
>>> >> ---
>>> >> millions of DROPs!!! The 3750G has crap ASICs and simply can't handle
>>> wire
>>> >> speed storage. So why pay $5,000 to $15,000 for a switch that can't
>>> handle
>>> >> basic 1Gbps iSCSI?
>>> >>
>>> >> His comment to me was "those HP's were the best $5,000 we ever spent".
>>> >> Even
>>> >> his users were shocked how much the network improved. They were a
>>> loyal
>>> >> Cisco
>>> >> customer for years until I showed them the difference a pair of
>>> 3500yl's
>>> >> made...
>>> >>
>>> >> Now from a high performance, low latency switch standpoint (and this
>>> >> market is
>>> >> redhot right now...)
>>> >>
>>> >> How about a tour of Equinix or Savvis next time you're in New York or
>>> >> Chicago?
>>> >> Guess what? Those are 2 most expensive serious datacenters on the
>>> PLANET,
>>> >> Full
>>> >> of companies I can't even name here - but if you want the tour I'll
>>> be
>>> >> happy
>>> >> to get you sign an NDA with our account rep and check it out in
>>> person...
>>> >>
>>> >> You'll see an Arista, or Blade Networks (BNT), or Juniper Switch about
>>> >> every
>>> >> time you see a Cisco.... How much you want to bet on this fact?
>>> >>
>>> >> Are you familiar with Arista? Their 7500 BLOWS ANY other ETHERNET
>>> SWITCH
>>> >> out
>>> >> of the water on the planet.
>>> >>
>>> >> http://bradreese.com/blog/arista-4-20-2010.htm
>>> >>
>>> >> And yeah, I know Brad Reese can be a jerk against Cisco - but I'm
>>> saying
>>> >> man
>>> >> Cisco is known as the "slow steady reliable", but for HPC Cisco is
>>> D.O.A.
>>> >> You
>>> >> do know why the Nexus Line cards have One Yellow interface every 4
>>> ports,
>>> >> right? (4 interfaces share 10Gbps bandwidth). Nexus is a BLOCKING
>>> Switch
>>> >> architecture - meaning the backplane/line card design does not allow
>>> >> wirespeed
>>> >> on every interface. Would you like to see a datacenter where I can
>>> show
>>> >> you a
>>> >> Nexus Switch where there is only 1 thing plugged in every 4 ports?
>>> Sad,
>>> >> huh?
>>> >> the Arista is a fully NON-BLOCKING Switch. So is the Juniper EX 8200
>>> >> series.
>>> >> Look at those numbers on the last link... the Cisco Nexus 7010 has the
>>> >> FEWEST
>>> >> full rate 10Gbe ports of any major switch vendor. Sorry man - that's
>>> >> pretty
>>> >> sad. Clearly, the Nexus is a generation behind everyone else...
>>> >>
>>> >> I "grew up with Cisco". I got certified on Cisco. But they need to
>>> really
>>> >> do a
>>> >> lot more to make their products a better deal to people spending over
>>> >> $5,000
>>> >> per switch. Period.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm not even going to comment on the Lync vs Call Manager war - but
>>> let's
>>> >> say
>>> >> the cheapest one standing will be around in 5 years - IT costs are
>>> >> dropping
>>> >> very quickly.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Joe
>>> >>
>>> >> From: Jonathan Greenwood II [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com]
>>> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:48 PM
>>> >> To: Joseph L. Brunner
>>> >> Cc: Radioactive Frog; JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; Travis
>>> Niedens;
>>> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> >> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>>> >>
>>> >> Hey Joe,
>>> >>
>>> >> I guess our facts of life are different, but the process to get
>>> >> re-furbished
>>> >> gear back on smartnet is not like it use to be and the premium you pay
>>> >> might
>>> >> as well buy it legitmately. Just went through this with a customer
>>> who
>>> >> exclusively used NHR in the past until the recent policy change
>>> enforced
>>> >> by
>>> >> Cisco for CCO downloads/hardware replacements via smartnet contracts.
>>> >>
>>> >> For small mom and pop's or fortune1000/2000's as you like to classify
>>> that
>>> >> don't run advanced features like voice/video/security such as dot1x
>>> >> posture
>>> >> checking down to the access layer you're right, they can go with a
>>> switch
>>> >> from
>>> >> Walmart to do that. Most organizations that have that setup are
>>> actually
>>> >> rip/replacing that crap because they want the security/collaboration
>>> and
>>> >> feature sets of an advanced network. With all the rampant hacking
>>> >> security is
>>> >> hot right now in most organizaitons and I'm seeing NAC solutions
>>> flying
>>> >> out
>>> >> the door which requires an access switch capable of some advanced
>>> features
>>> >> from any vendor. Those procurves/dells are being given away because
>>> >> they're
>>> >> dead weight :) But when I speak of market share I speak globally not
>>> just
>>> >> here in the US so your #'s are way off buddy.
>>> >>
>>> >> Brocade is on the verge of being sold or spinning of their ethernet
>>> side
>>> >> of
>>> >> house because they're selling their crap so cheap just to get a foot
>>> in
>>> >> the
>>> >> door that the low margins are actually hurting them. HP is doing the
>>> same
>>> >> with their gear as well and not making any money off of it at the end
>>> of
>>> >> the
>>> >> day. Juniper is making some strides on the ethernet side at the cost
>>> of
>>> >> loosing focus on their firewalls/SP routing domain that they've always
>>> >> done
>>> >> well with which is not good.
>>> >>
>>> >> I follow the trends pretty well and it's definitely not tight for
>>> Cisco,
>>> >> but
>>> >> more so for HP if you caught the latest news from Meg Whitman. Here
>>> are
>>> >> few
>>> >> recent articles and one from the biggest Cisco basher I know "Jim
>>> Duffy"
>>> >> from
>>> >> network world so I can point to something who is definitely not
>>> pro-Cisco:
>>> >>
>>> >> IDC's Worldwide Quarterly Enterprise Networks Tracker Shows Record
>>> >> Ethernet
>>> >> Switch Results; Router Market Declines
>>> >> http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23338212
>>> >>
>>> >> Pay specific attention to this line in the article:
>>> >>
>>> >> From a vendor perspective, Cisco's Ethernet switch (Layer 2/3) market
>>> >> share in
>>> >> 4Q11 came in at 64.3%, reflecting a significant improvement from
>>> earlier
>>> >> in
>>> >> the year. On a relative basis, Cisco continues to be strong in the
>>> 10GbE
>>> >> segment where it now has 69.5% of the market in 4Q11.
>>> >>
>>> >> Whitman gives HP harsh report card, outlines recovery plan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-25
>>> >> 6474.html<
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-256474.html
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Cisco Q4 Ethernet switch revenue up, HP's down
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022412-cisco-ethernet-switch-256544.htm
>>> >> l?hpg1=bn
>>> >>
>>> >> What info are you referring to so I can reference???
>>> >> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>> >> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>> wrote:
>>> >> Johnathan,
>>> >>
>>> >> In the Lan switching market HP procurve alone has a 30% market share
>>> - so
>>> >> check your facts again... you're also forgetting that most CIO/CTO's
>>> >> would not
>>> >> answer a survey but quietly buy HP procurve and now many times my
>>> biggest
>>> >> Fortune 1000 Clients are getting Free Dell Switches with their server
>>> >> purchases as a sweetner... Next up - let's talk about the hundreds of
>>> >> Fortune
>>> >> 2000's (I have several clients in this group also) that ONLY purchase
>>> >> Cisco
>>> >> from Network Hardware Resellers, Myriad Supply, Ebay, etc.
>>> >>
>>> >> In fact the ONLY thing my customers seem to buy from Cisco is
>>> Smartnet on
>>> >> old
>>> >> Cisco gear (cause ASA's and 3750's from 2008 still work) and Call
>>> Manager
>>> >> Licensing. We even got a Nexus 7010 from a reseller recently - so
>>> trust me
>>> >> it's a tight time for Cisco - as people like google and facebook give
>>> away
>>> >> free "IT" CIO's and CTO's think this means ALL IT should cost less.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sorry man. Fact of life
>>> >>
>>> >> From: Jonathan Greenwood II
>>> >> [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com<mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com>]
>>> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:54 PM
>>> >> To: Radioactive Frog
>>> >> Cc: Joseph L. Brunner; JB Poplawski;
>>> >> jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; Travis Niedens;
>>> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> >> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I doubt it with their weak polycom handsets and no support for
>>> >> acd/contactcenters. Not to mention the hardware required for the
>>> >> infrastructure is a bit ridiculous and honestly a turnoff. They have
>>> >> years to
>>> >> go before they even create a reasonable footprint to measure for
>>> market
>>> >> share.
>>> >>
>>> >> I keep hearing all of this Cisco market share eroding and the
>>> question I
>>> >> have
>>> >> is to who??? HP 9% Juniper 2% Brocade 3% anybody else less than 1%.
>>> >>
>>> >> I applaud Cisco for protecting their brand and not allowing it free
>>> for
>>> >> all,
>>> >> because it makes the training/certification much more valuable. All
>>> the
>>> >> other
>>> >> vendors have the same approach, so what's the big deal???
>>> >> On Feb 24, 2012 6:11 PM, "Radioactive Frog"
>>> >> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com<mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >> Watch out the Microsoft Lync in the next few years. It will wipe out
>>> >> Cisco,s UC market.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lync now supports multitenancy, goes to Service providers Domain.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Friday, February 24, 2012, Travis Niedens wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Way too much land. I was in buildings J/K when they were supposed to
>>> >> build
>>> >> > more before the layoff in 2001.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> >> <javascript:;>
>>> >> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>> >> ><javascript:;>]
>>> >> > On Behalf Of
>>> >> > Joseph L. Brunner
>>> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:05 PM
>>> >> > To: JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>
>>> >> <javascript:;>
>>> >> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> >> <javascript:;>
>>> >> > Subject: RE: CCO Downloads.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Yes - I also have a sick smartnet with many asa's, 3800's, 6509's,
>>> etc
>>> >> but
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > was not able to download software for the 2651XM!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > HAHAH
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I guess Cisco has 2 choices
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 1. Sell all that land they acquired under John Morgidge in San Jose
>>> 2.
>>> >> Lock
>>> >> > down CCO in hopes people would buy more Smartnet contracts...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Guess that's all you can do when your eroding market share year
>>> after
>>> >> year
>>> >> > in the Enterprise Switch, Core Router and Firewall Market, huh?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> >> <javascript:;>
>>> >> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>> >> ><javascript:;>]
>>> >> > On Behalf Of JB
>>> >> > Poplawski
>>> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:06 PM
>>> >> > To: jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>
>>> >> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> >> <javascript:;>
>>> >> > Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I have 2600's in a lab, end of life routers. GNS3? What gives? I
>>> can
>>> >> > download 65XX, 3750X, 28,29, 18XX.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Kind of frustrating that I'm studying for a lab (Third attempt) and
>>> >> running
>>> >> > into issues of downloading IOS.
>>> >> > JB
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM,
>>> >> <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > It must have finally caught up to you, but Cisco requires that you
>>> >> > > have a service agreement for the device you're wanting to download
>>> >> > software for.
>>> >> > > Sent via BlackBerry
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > > From: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com<mailto:
>>> >> jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>
>>> >> <javascript:;>>
>>> >> > > Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> >> <javascript:;>
>>> >> > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:55:59
>>> >> > > To: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> >> <javascript:;>>
>>> >> > > Reply-To: JB Poplawski
>>> >> <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com<mailto:jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>
>>> <javascript:;>>
>>> >> > > Subject: CCO Downloads.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Anyone having download issues of images? I used to be able to
>>> >> > > download most anything, now it seems they bolted down the hatches.
>>> >> > > Makes life hard for my 3600 lab.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Anyone?
>>> >> > > JB
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
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