Re: CCO Downloads.

HP Networking is 3% of HP's value according to treffis.com so a net loss of
44% doesn't relate to networking. From other reports I've seen HP is gaining
ground in the networking world as Cisco gains ground in the server / blade
server market.

The last report I saw showed Cisco as #2 in x86 blade servers in North
America passing IBM & Dell. But that doesn't mean they are stealing market
share from HP.

I think both Cisco & HP are gaining market share, while they may not be
taking it from the other or taking it marginally, a lot of smaller vendors
are getting squished as the titans duke it out. HP is as likely to displace
Cisco from networking as Cisco is to take the computing lead away from HP.
In the server world there are guys that swear by HP, and of course others
that swear at it. (I like UCS personally)

What's killing HP is that many consumers don't need PC's they just want a
laptop. And when people buy laptops, smart ones anyhow are going to Apple,
those that don't really need a laptop are going to tablets, and their not
buying HP here either. Another debate entirely, just pretend I didnbt say
the Apple part and keep going.

There are lots of angles to pick and choose from, all-in-all the H3C/HP
platform is quite capable, and as a consumer I appreciate the competition,
I've been able to score great deals on cisco servers and HP networking
equipment over the last two years, and I have a happy/ healthy mixed
environment in different environments. The competition helps the consumers
in the end. As a consultant I make the same, and I don't feel like either
company is looking out for me in any way.

Cisco's big advantage that Jonathan points out is the all-in-one security
solution. It's obviously not a single product, but a portfolio that
encompasses everything from anyconnect running on your ipad to 802.1x / mac
sec, iron port coupled with botnet filter, leading market share on switches
which results in ubiquitous user experience, down to the hot new asa1000v
coupled with Nexus 1000v.Cisco has a product for every scenario (except
event monitoring RIP MARS) and is the only vendor offering complete
end-to-end solution working in nearly-perfect harmony. Nobody else in the
industry can touch this. They're selling a broad collection of "point
products".

Just comparing switches to switches though, if you're not tasting the wares
from the other vendors and blindly buying Cisco you may be missing out.

In summary, don't dislike the other vendors without spending some time on
the other vendors. If you've got 100 hours on HP / Juniper, then sure tell
me how Cisco's better, but if you haven't put in some stick-time on them,
and aren't reading anything but Cisco it's time to take off the blinders and
quit drinking their Kool-aid.

Try to remember the relationship of who-needs-who, and look at how this
conversation got started.

Kind regards,
Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Greenwood II
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:48 PM
To: Joseph L. Brunner
Cc: Radioactive Frog ; JB Poplawski ; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com ; Travis Niedens ;
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.

Hey Joe,

I guess our facts of life are different, but the process to get
re-furbished gear back on smartnet is not like it use to be and the premium
you pay might as well buy it legitmately. Just went through this with a
customer who exclusively used NHR in the past until the recent policy
change enforced by Cisco for CCO downloads/hardware replacements via
smartnet contracts.

For small mom and pop's or fortune1000/2000's as you like to classify that
don't run advanced features like voice/video/security such as dot1x posture
checking down to the access layer you're right, they can go with a switch
from Walmart to do that. Most organizations that have that setup are
actually rip/replacing that crap because they want the
security/collaboration and feature sets of an advanced network. With all
the rampant hacking security is hot right now in most organizaitons and I'm
seeing NAC solutions flying out the door which requires an access switch
capable of some advanced features from any vendor. Those procurves/dells
are being given away because they're dead weight :) But when I speak of
market share I speak globally not just here in the US so your #'s are way
off buddy.

Brocade is on the verge of being sold or spinning of their ethernet side of
house because they're selling their crap so cheap just to get a foot in the
door that the low margins are actually hurting them. HP is doing the same
with their gear as well and not making any money off of it at the end of
the day. Juniper is making some strides on the ethernet side at the cost
of loosing focus on their firewalls/SP routing domain that they've always
done well with which is not good.

I follow the trends pretty well and it's definitely not tight for Cisco,
but more so for HP if you caught the latest news from Meg Whitman. Here
are few recent articles and one from the biggest Cisco basher I know "Jim
Duffy" from network world so I can point to something who is definitely not
pro-Cisco:

IDC's Worldwide Quarterly Enterprise Networks Tracker Shows Record Ethernet
Switch Results; Router Market Declines
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23338212

Pay specific attention to this line in the article:

From a vendor perspective, Cisco's Ethernet switch (Layer 2/3) market share
in 4Q11 came in at 64.3%, reflecting a significant improvement from earlier
in the year. On a relative basis, Cisco continues to be strong in the 10GbE
segment where it now has 69.5% of the market in 4Q11.

Whitman gives HP harsh report card, outlines recovery plan

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-25
6474.html

Cisco Q4 Ethernet switch revenue up, HP's down
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022412-cisco-ethernet-switch-256544.htm
l?hpg1=bn

What info are you referring to so I can reference???

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
<joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:

> Johnathan,****
>
> ** **
>
> In the Lan switching market HP procurve alone has a 30% market share  so
> check your facts again youre also forgetting that most CIO/CTOs would
> not answer a survey but quietly buy HP procurve and now many times my
> biggest Fortune 1000 Clients are getting Free Dell Switches with their
> server purchases as a sweetner Next up  lets talk about the hundreds
> of
> Fortune 2000s (I have several clients in this group also) that ONLY
> purchase Cisco from Network Hardware Resellers, Myriad Supply, Ebay, etc.*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> In fact the ONLY thing my customers seem to buy from Cisco is Smartnet on
> old Cisco gear (cause ASAs and 3750s from 2008 still work) and Call
> Manager Licensing. We even got a Nexus 7010 from a reseller recently  so
> trust me its a tight time for Cisco  as people like google and facebook
> give away free IT CIOs and CTOs think this means ALL IT should cost
> less.****
>
> ** **
>
> Sorry man. Fact of life****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Greenwood II [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 9:54 PM
> *To:* Radioactive Frog
> *Cc:* Joseph L. Brunner; JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; Travis
> Niedens; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> *Subject:* Re: CCO Downloads.****
>
> ** **
>
> I doubt it with their weak polycom handsets and no support for
> acd/contactcenters. Not to mention the hardware required for the
> infrastructure is a bit ridiculous and honestly a turnoff. They have
> years
> to go before they even create a reasonable footprint to measure for market
> share.****
>
> I keep hearing all of this Cisco market share eroding and the question I
> have is to who??? HP 9% Juniper 2% Brocade 3% anybody else less than 1%.
> ****
>
> I applaud Cisco for protecting their brand and not allowing it free for
> all, because it makes the training/certification much more valuable. All
> the other vendors have the same approach, so what's the big deal???****
>
> On Feb 24, 2012 6:11 PM, "Radioactive Frog" <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com> wrote:**
> **
>
> Watch out the Microsoft Lync in the next few years. It will wipe out
> Cisco,s UC market.
>
> Lync now supports multitenancy, goes to Service providers Domain.
>
>
> On Friday, February 24, 2012, Travis Niedens wrote:
>
> > Way too much land. I was in buildings J/K when they were supposed to
> build
> > more before the layoff in 2001.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> <javascript:;>]
> > On Behalf Of
> > Joseph L. Brunner
> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:05 PM
> > To: JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
> > Subject: RE: CCO Downloads.
> >
> > Yes - I also have a sick smartnet with many asa's, 3800's, 6509's, etc
> but
> > I
> > was not able to download software for the 2651XM!
> >
> > HAHAH
> >
> > I guess Cisco has 2 choices
> >
> > 1. Sell all that land they acquired under John Morgidge in San Jose 2.
> Lock
> > down CCO in hopes people would buy more Smartnet contracts...
> >
> > Guess that's all you can do when your eroding market share year after
> year
> > in the Enterprise Switch, Core Router and Firewall Market, huh?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> <javascript:;>]
> > On Behalf Of JB
> > Poplawski
> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:06 PM
> > To: jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
> > Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
> >
> > I have 2600's in a lab, end of life routers. GNS3? What gives? I can
> > download 65XX, 3750X, 28,29, 18XX.
> >
> > Kind of frustrating that I'm studying for a lab (Third attempt) and
> running
> > into issues of downloading IOS.
> > JB
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM, <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It must have finally caught up to you, but Cisco requires that you
> > > have a service agreement for the device you're wanting to download
> > software for.
> > > Sent via BlackBerry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:55:59
> > > To: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>>
> > > Reply-To: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > Subject: CCO Downloads.
> > >
> > > Anyone having download issues of images? I used to be able to
> > > download most anything, now it seems they bolted down the hatches.
> > > Makes life hard for my 3600 lab.
> > >
> > > Anyone?
> > > JB
> > >
> > >
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