Re: LMS Vs NCS

Makes sense to me... It all depends on your particular requirements.

Good to know on the LMS/NCS roadmap.

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On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:12 PM, John Haddad <loserboy3000_at_hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks a lot ronnie and Sadiq,
>
> below is a post from cisco community do you agree of what he said?
>
>
>
> Reply from Marvin Rhoads from cisco community
>
>
> LMS and NCS will be merged in the next release, most likely in the coming
few months. So the "LMS VS NCS" issue will be moot.
>
> "LMS Vs other monitoring tools" is a huge question. It really depends on
what you have in your infrastructure and what you want to do with your network
management system.
>
> If you're multi-vendor, LMS falls short as it is 98% designed for all-Cisco
systems. On the other hand, few (or no) competitors offer the breadth of
solution for a Cisco LAN infrastructure that LMS does. Also, LMS will of
course have access to internal development resources and systems that no other
vendor will ever offer. If LMS has a bug or IOS has a bug, it's one vendor who
needs to fix it - no finger-pointing.
>
> Many people use Solarwinds, for example. To begin to approach LMS, one would
need both Solarwinds NPM and NCM. Even then you would noty have the topology
service or workflow that LMS gives you. You would also not have CiscoView.
Likewise HP OpenView NNM falls short. As does What's Up Gold. They all do
their intended function well - they just don't have the breadth of services
built-in for a Cisco shop.
>
> If all you need is configuration file management / archiving, then sure
stand up an open source RANCID installation. It might be a bit cruder and
require more Linux admin skills but it's perfectly functional. You won't get
any support and that's all it does, but it does it in a workable fashion.
>
> If all you need is performance management, use Cacti.
>
> If all you need is fault management, use Nagios.
>
> If you need fault and performance and are multi-vendor, use NPM.
>
> If you need it all wrapped together and are a Cisco shop, use LMS.
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:29:34 +0000
> > Subject: Re: LMS Vs NCS
> > From: sadiqtanko_at_gmail.com
> > To: ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com
> > CC: loserboy3000_at_hotmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >
> > i have recently had the opportunity to see the LMS (Prime) in demo and
how
> > it can be used for the network and configuration management in a wired
> > network. I however, did not see the demo of how it can be used for
wireless.
> >
> > For the wired part, I was personally impressed with what it can do:
> > - it can manage software versions and images on switches
> > - it can tell you which of your devices in the network are dot1x/SGT
> > capable for example
> > - it can rollout 802.1X in stages to all access ports. for example,
> > Monitor Mode, Low Impact Mode and High Security Mode
> > - and then it can perform the network analysis of whos authenticating
> > where and who's having trouble getting on
> >
> > Its pretty cool stuff. I do not even know what an NCS is.
> >
> > Sadiq
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Ronnie Angello
<ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, one more clarification... The best description that I've seen for
NCS
> > > (after a couple min of research) is that it manages the access layer -
> > > wireless, access switches, and endpoints. LMS would provide more
> > > comprehensive management of your wired devices throughout the network -
> > > routers and switches, and other wired devices to some extent.
> > > On Feb 12, 2012 8:11 AM, "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Also, you obviously wouldn't have much use for NCS if you don't have
> > > Cisco
> > > > wireless products to manage. I think there may be some overlap there,
> > > but
> > > > LMS is still the flagship management product for Cisco wired
networks.
> > > >
> > > > Ronnie
> > > > On Feb 12, 2012 8:02 AM, "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> NCS is basically the new version of WCS under the Cisco Prime
umbrella,
> > > >> with added support for wired devices. It adds some visibility into
the
> > > >> wired network but I don't think that there is that much
functionality
> > > >> there. You would still want LMS or another vendor's product for
> > > >> configuration management, software image management, etc.
> > > >>
> > > >> There are other solutions out there that are going to be comparable
to
> > > or
> > > >> better than LMS, but they may be more expensive. It all depends on
your
> > > >> requirements. If you have a multi-vendor network to manage, then you
> > > will
> > > >> obviously need to go above and beyond LMS.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ronnie
> > > >> On Feb 12, 2012 6:34 AM, "John Haddad" <loserboy3000_at_hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Good day everyone,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> i have searched for the
> > > >>> differences between LMS and NCS and nothing major was found
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> NCS is mainly used for
> > > >>> the wireless and now it has been developed to be using for
monitoring
> > > the
> > > >>> wired
> > > >>> connection as well, it is really excellent in terms of monitoring
the
> > > >>> wireless
> > > >>> because
> > > >>> it shows RF interfering, reporting, step by step of troubleshooting
> > > >>> wireless
> > > >>> issue
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On the other hand NCS
> > > >>> has a lot bugs to monitor the wired connection because it is newly
> > > added
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> LMS ==h I cannot see any added value to go with it if
> > > >>> we compare with other monitoring tools from other vendor
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Other vendor can provide
> > > >>> a facilities to do all of LMS can do in addition to
interoperability
> > > and
> > > >>> monitoring other vendors such as HP, Aruba etc
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Team do you have any
> > > >>> more information on this regards
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> LMS Vs NCS
> > > >>>
> > > >>> LMS Vs other monitoring
> > > >>> from other Vendor
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks a lot
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
Received on Sun Feb 12 2012 - 13:23:58 ART