Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

LOL! Thanks for the chuckle!

Regards,
Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
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On Dec 8, 2011, at 9:07 AM, "N. Max Pierson" <nmaxpierson_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Unlike you fine gents, no wife, no kids ... hell I don't even have a dog
> (thinking about one for Christmas if santa doesn't have me on his naughty
> list). Some would say I have no life, and that's partially true (due to all
> the hours in the lab), but I would have to mostly disagree because barley,
> hops, pepperoni, and the 'opposite sex' play a crucial role in my nightly
> life ;)
>
> On a more serious note, I have to tip my hat to all you guys with families!
> A co-worker of mine is married with 3 kids and a 4th on the way in Jan. and
> he's at RTP at this very moment i'm typing on his first attempt. So I know
> how hard it must be partitioning time for all things in life, but I look
> forward receiving my 5 digits soon and then maybe I think about small
> children and dogs.... any maybe commitment :)
>
> max
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Steve Di Bias <sdibias_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Marc mine is similar except I end up studying until 3 or 4:00am and my
>> wife's pushing me out of bed to go to work at 7:00a!
>>
>> Studying for the CCIE really does take its toll on your life, especially
>> when you are married and have kids, etc. One of the biggest challenges
>> with the CCIE is that you have to balance your social life (e.g. kids &
>> relationships) while still studying intensely. While some may argue you
>> have to put your social life on hold, you don't, it's just a balancing
>> mechanism.
>>
>> I have been doing the same routine for quite some time and it's worked for
>> me so far. Basically (like Jay) when my wife and kids go to sleep around
>> 9:00 I hit the labs until I'm too tired and go to sleep!
>>
>> For me this has been a long and winding road and I'm ready for it to be
>> over. Judgement day is right around the corner....
>>
>> Happy Labbing!
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My alarm goes off at 4 am and my wife is pushing me out of bed to study.
>>> Aside from me, nobody wants to this to be over more than her :) . I tell
>>> people that are interested that it will be a life changer from the start.
>>> Constant study and finding a zen balance with it all. For me, it comes
>> down
>>> to what I do during my alone time. Most want to decompress and watch TV,
>>> sports, or some sort of recreation. Sad to say that the
>>> lab examination will eat up all this free time.
>>>
>>> I have been watching how much time I spend on social networks and blog as
>>> well. Even exam relavant stuff, it just seems to slow me down taking time
>>> to articulate... It is a good practice though.
>>>
>>> Even responding to threads like this. If I spend 4 minutes writing this
>>> email, that was 4 minutes I could have been working through a problem or
>>> watching instruction. I can imagine that is why commentary has talked
>> about
>>> beating the dead horse.
>>>
>>> While I think it is off topic, motivations are relavant to the pursuit.
>> Are
>>> you doing it to show others? Are you doing it for career only? Are you
>>> doing it for yourself due to a burning motivation?
>>>
>>> Some of those answers will get you up at any hour of the night having
>> free
>>> time to continue to learn. Some of those answers will keep you pushing
>> even
>>> after failure. Others might make you sleep in and give up on the first
>> try.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Joe Astorino <joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I'm not a family / marital counselor or psychologist so this is
>>>> probably worth what you pay for it -- Why not try and prioritize your
>>> life
>>>> and make the CCIE a large part of your time on paper and on purpose? I
>>>> first started my track in July 2008 and I got married in May, 2008.
>>>> Needless to say, some discussions had to be had with the new wife about
>>>> time priorities and why I was doing that and why it meant so much to me
>>> and
>>>> why I needed her support in doing it.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it would be possible to talk to your wife and work out some sort
>> of
>>>> scheduling to where you have your certain days and hours for just
>>> studying
>>>> ALONE in the basement, but you also make time for x, y, and z in your
>>>> life. Maybe you could speak to your boss about getting some time to
>>>> advance your skillset and obtaining the CCIE but explain that you would
>>>> appeciate some time to work on that career goal.
>>>>
>>>> Ultimately, at least in my life it helps to have things being done on
>>>> purpose and to a certain "plan" or I get bogged down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Guillermo Ruiz <gruizesteban_at_gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>
>>>>> When I start studying the CCIE track (almost 3 years ago) the only
>>>>> reason of doing that was for personal knowledge. I've spent lot of
>>>>> money building my home lab (over 25 devices...till I discovered GNS3)
>>>>> and taking CCIE bootcamps. My frustration is not about those that are
>>>>> cheating..I'm frustrated about the limited time I have to study
>>>>> (always overloaded at work + family & marital tasks). I don't even
>>>>> know if some day I will take the lab exam, earn those wonderful
>> digits
>>>>> and tattoo the old CCIE logo in my leg , but the only thing that
>> keeps
>>>>> me enthusiastic is all the network challenges I face everyday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep the track, there is no better feeling than solving problems and
>>>>> carrying with all that stuff that nobody wants. This is what keeps me
>>>>> "young", and it's wonderful to learn everyday new things.
>>>>>
>>>>> And in the worst case you will end like me, with a 10-months child
>>>>> that recognizes Cisco logo...and cries when he hears Juniper. LoL!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Guillermo Ruiz
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/12/3, Joe Sanchez <marco207p_at_gmail.com>:
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to send a quick email out to all of you to get your take,
>>> and
>>>> to
>>>>>> hopefully give me some words of wisdom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently took my CCIE R&S Lab exam at RTP on Nov 9, 2011; I
>> failed
>>>> and
>>>>>> I'm ok with that, I knew going into the exam that I was not 100%
>>>> however
>>>>> I
>>>>>> scheduled the lab months prior, set my goals and tried to reach
>> them
>>>>> before
>>>>>> taking the lab. I fell behind on a few of the goals that I set
>> prior
>>>> to
>>>>>> taking the exam, but I felt I needed to go ahead and take the lab
>> and
>>>> get
>>>>>> the butterflies and overall anxiety out of my system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know what I need to do, so that my next attempt at the lab is
>>>>> successful,
>>>>>> and I'm working on those now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So here is the part were my discouragement comes into play and
>> really
>>>> my
>>>>>> overall mindset to stop studying for this exam and move on with my
>>>> life,
>>>>> as
>>>>>> we all know that studying for the CCIE takes away your life for a
>>>> while.
>>>>>> I've been studying for the CCIE off and on for almost 2yrs, and
>> there
>>>>> have
>>>>>> been a few breaks in my studies as I have family and work
>> obligations
>>>>> like
>>>>>> most of you all, "i digress".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I came back from RTP and I had a few questions on my lab that I
>>>>> absolutely
>>>>>> had no freakin clue, so I set out looking through the CCO Doc CD
>> and
>>>>> trying
>>>>>> to figure out the answers to the questions and I read every page
>> on
>>>> this
>>>>>> particular subject however, I couldn't find solutions the lab
>> wanted.
>>>>> So I
>>>>>> set out in the world of google and began using search strings to
>> find
>>>> my
>>>>>> answer, and what do you know I found several scenarios from people
>>> that
>>>>>> were pretty close, so I modified my search string and began my
>>>>>> seek-and-find again. After searching for a few minutes more for my
>>>>> answer,
>>>>>> up pops a website URL in Chinese that redirects me to a website
>> that
>>>> has
>>>>> a
>>>>>> document in adobe web viewer so I think lets read this and see
>> what I
>>>>>> find. I begin to read the document and see that it is a lab and
>> as I
>>>>>> scroll down I begin to see the network topology and physical and
>>>> logical
>>>>>> layout and the beginning general guideline requirements and I say
>> to
>>>>> myself
>>>>>> "wow, this is very familiar" as I continue reading I again say "
>> this
>>>> is
>>>>>> way to close" and as I scroll down I see a topology that looks
>>> exactly
>>>>> like
>>>>>> the topology I had on my Lab, so I stop... dig out my notebook,
>> "they
>>>>> one I
>>>>>> drew my LAB topology in, at the airport after my LAB exam" and I
>> say
>>>>> "What
>>>>>> the hell" this topology is 100% exact to my LAB in RTP and not only
>>>> that
>>>>>> but 100% ip addressing, vlan names and numbers, IGP AS numbers, BGP
>>> AS
>>>>>> numbers, "yes" i continued to read and yes everything, again
>>> everything
>>>>> was
>>>>>> 100% my LAB " I found the answer to my question". So I stopped...
>>>> stared
>>>>>> at the wall for hmmm... a long time then said "Why" Why do I nearly
>>>> kill
>>>>>> myself studying trying to get these digits when people are out
>> there
>>>>>> cheating, but not only cheating but killing the reputation of a
>>> Expert
>>>>>> community because they feel that if they get the Digits they can
>> make
>>>>> more
>>>>>> money than what they deserve. So I went home, because I don't
>> study
>>> at
>>>>>> home as this is distraction most of them, and I asked myself the
>>> entire
>>>>>> ride home to whether or not a should continue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I suppose my Question is to the whole community here is "should
>> we
>>>>> even
>>>>>> continue", I've spent thousands or dollars getting equipment,
>>> labbooks,
>>>>>> video's not to mention the hours, but what is the point if people
>> are
>>>>>> cheating and Employers know that people are cheating, and I've seen
>>>> this
>>>>>> over the last few years that some CCIE's don't have a clue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm frustrated, p'd off, and discouraged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I await your thoughts and reply's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do not email me or request that I give you the website or
>> name
>>>> of
>>>>>> the company that is supplying the exact labs, as I will make you
>>>> publicly
>>>>>> known for asking in this email group and forums. Really it's not
>>> worth
>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Sanchez (Chicago, IL)
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Joe Astorino
>>>> CCIE #24347
>>>> Blog: http://astorinonetworks.com
>>>>
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