Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

Marc,

I agree, and believe me; my wife is the same right now. The main problem
is my son was more hurt that I didn't pass my first attempt then I was as I
do not get to spend the time with him that he is use to.

I really appreciate everyone's comments and encouragement in standing and
fighting out the CCIE journey. I started back last night really getting
into my labs.

Thanks,
Joe Sanchez

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:49 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> My alarm goes off at 4 am and my wife is pushing me out of bed to study.
> Aside from me, nobody wants to this to be over more than her :) . I tell
> people that are interested that it will be a life changer from the start.
> Constant study and finding a zen balance with it all. For me, it comes down
> to what I do during my alone time. Most want to decompress and watch TV,
> sports, or some sort of recreation. Sad to say that the
> lab examination will eat up all this free time.
>
> I have been watching how much time I spend on social networks and blog as
> well. Even exam relavant stuff, it just seems to slow me down taking time
> to articulate... It is a good practice though.
>
> Even responding to threads like this. If I spend 4 minutes writing this
> email, that was 4 minutes I could have been working through a problem or
> watching instruction. I can imagine that is why commentary has talked about
> beating the dead horse.
>
> While I think it is off topic, motivations are relavant to the pursuit.
> Are you doing it to show others? Are you doing it for career only? Are you
> doing it for yourself due to a burning motivation?
>
> Some of those answers will get you up at any hour of the night having free
> time to continue to learn. Some of those answers will keep you pushing even
> after failure. Others might make you sleep in and give up on the first try.
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Joe Astorino <joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm not a family / marital counselor or psychologist so this is
>> probably worth what you pay for it -- Why not try and prioritize your life
>> and make the CCIE a large part of your time on paper and on purpose? I
>> first started my track in July 2008 and I got married in May, 2008.
>> Needless to say, some discussions had to be had with the new wife about
>> time priorities and why I was doing that and why it meant so much to me
>> and
>> why I needed her support in doing it.
>>
>> Maybe it would be possible to talk to your wife and work out some sort of
>> scheduling to where you have your certain days and hours for just studying
>> ALONE in the basement, but you also make time for x, y, and z in your
>> life. Maybe you could speak to your boss about getting some time to
>> advance your skillset and obtaining the CCIE but explain that you would
>> appeciate some time to work on that career goal.
>>
>> Ultimately, at least in my life it helps to have things being done on
>> purpose and to a certain "plan" or I get bogged down.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Guillermo Ruiz <gruizesteban_at_gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Joe,
>> >
>> > When I start studying the CCIE track (almost 3 years ago) the only
>> > reason of doing that was for personal knowledge. I've spent lot of
>> > money building my home lab (over 25 devices...till I discovered GNS3)
>> > and taking CCIE bootcamps. My frustration is not about those that are
>> > cheating..I'm frustrated about the limited time I have to study
>> > (always overloaded at work + family & marital tasks). I don't even
>> > know if some day I will take the lab exam, earn those wonderful digits
>> > and tattoo the old CCIE logo in my leg , but the only thing that keeps
>> > me enthusiastic is all the network challenges I face everyday.
>> >
>> > Keep the track, there is no better feeling than solving problems and
>> > carrying with all that stuff that nobody wants. This is what keeps me
>> > "young", and it's wonderful to learn everyday new things.
>> >
>> > And in the worst case you will end like me, with a 10-months child
>> > that recognizes Cisco logo...and cries when he hears Juniper. LoL!
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Guillermo Ruiz
>> >
>> > 2011/12/3, Joe Sanchez <marco207p_at_gmail.com>:
>> > > All,
>> > >
>> > > I wanted to send a quick email out to all of you to get your take,
>> and to
>> > > hopefully give me some words of wisdom.
>> > >
>> > > I recently took my CCIE R&S Lab exam at RTP on Nov 9, 2011; I failed
>> and
>> > > I'm ok with that, I knew going into the exam that I was not 100%
>> however
>> > I
>> > > scheduled the lab months prior, set my goals and tried to reach them
>> > before
>> > > taking the lab. I fell behind on a few of the goals that I set prior
>> to
>> > > taking the exam, but I felt I needed to go ahead and take the lab and
>> get
>> > > the butterflies and overall anxiety out of my system.
>> > >
>> > > I know what I need to do, so that my next attempt at the lab is
>> > successful,
>> > > and I'm working on those now.
>> > >
>> > > So here is the part were my discouragement comes into play and really
>> my
>> > > overall mindset to stop studying for this exam and move on with my
>> life,
>> > as
>> > > we all know that studying for the CCIE takes away your life for a
>> while.
>> > > I've been studying for the CCIE off and on for almost 2yrs, and there
>> > have
>> > > been a few breaks in my studies as I have family and work obligations
>> > like
>> > > most of you all, "i digress".
>> > >
>> > > I came back from RTP and I had a few questions on my lab that I
>> > absolutely
>> > > had no freakin clue, so I set out looking through the CCO Doc CD and
>> > trying
>> > > to figure out the answers to the questions and I read every page on
>> this
>> > > particular subject however, I couldn't find solutions the lab wanted.
>> > So I
>> > > set out in the world of google and began using search strings to find
>> my
>> > > answer, and what do you know I found several scenarios from people
>> that
>> > > were pretty close, so I modified my search string and began my
>> > > seek-and-find again. After searching for a few minutes more for my
>> > answer,
>> > > up pops a website URL in Chinese that redirects me to a website that
>> has
>> > a
>> > > document in adobe web viewer so I think lets read this and see what I
>> > > find. I begin to read the document and see that it is a lab and as I
>> > > scroll down I begin to see the network topology and physical and
>> logical
>> > > layout and the beginning general guideline requirements and I say to
>> > myself
>> > > "wow, this is very familiar" as I continue reading I again say " this
>> is
>> > > way to close" and as I scroll down I see a topology that looks exactly
>> > like
>> > > the topology I had on my Lab, so I stop... dig out my notebook, "they
>> > one I
>> > > drew my LAB topology in, at the airport after my LAB exam" and I say
>> > "What
>> > > the hell" this topology is 100% exact to my LAB in RTP and not only
>> that
>> > > but 100% ip addressing, vlan names and numbers, IGP AS numbers, BGP AS
>> > > numbers, "yes" i continued to read and yes everything, again
>> everything
>> > was
>> > > 100% my LAB " I found the answer to my question". So I stopped...
>> stared
>> > > at the wall for hmmm... a long time then said "Why" Why do I nearly
>> kill
>> > > myself studying trying to get these digits when people are out there
>> > > cheating, but not only cheating but killing the reputation of a Expert
>> > > community because they feel that if they get the Digits they can make
>> > more
>> > > money than what they deserve. So I went home, because I don't study
>> at
>> > > home as this is distraction most of them, and I asked myself the
>> entire
>> > > ride home to whether or not a should continue.
>> > >
>> > > So I suppose my Question is to the whole community here is "should we
>> > even
>> > > continue", I've spent thousands or dollars getting equipment,
>> labbooks,
>> > > video's not to mention the hours, but what is the point if people are
>> > > cheating and Employers know that people are cheating, and I've seen
>> this
>> > > over the last few years that some CCIE's don't have a clue.
>> > >
>> > > I'm frustrated, p'd off, and discouraged.
>> > >
>> > > I await your thoughts and reply's.
>> > >
>> > > Please do not email me or request that I give you the website or name
>> of
>> > > the company that is supplying the exact labs, as I will make you
>> publicly
>> > > known for asking in this email group and forums. Really it's not
>> worth
>> > it.
>> > >
>> > > Joe Sanchez (Chicago, IL)
>> > >
>> > >
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>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Joe Astorino
>> CCIE #24347
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