RE: CCIE R&S Discouraged

Someone call the SPCA! Kicking a dead horse this much has to be some sort
of animal cruelty.

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From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Astorino
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:19 AM
To: Abdul Waheed Ghaffar
Cc: joe_at_affirmedsystems.com; a.deguzman_at_ph.fujitsu.com;
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

I will add one more thing for you to think about. I've always thought of
the CCIE as the "special forces" of the networking world. That is just my
little thing...but anyways I was watching on the military channel the other
day a special on the US Army Ranger school. If you don't know the US Army
Rangers are the most elite special forces combat soldiers in the US army.

There was one scene in that special that was really interesting. When they
are killing these guys in training (like keeping them up for 48 hours
straight in the midst of brutal mental and physical abuse and stress, and
THEN having them run 30 miles with 80 pound packs on) the entire time you
know what the instructors are saying? "Why don't you go ahead and quit,
Ranger?" "Go ahead and quit" "If you quit right now, you can go to sleep"
"You don't belong here, QUIT" ....Most do, but the minority don't and the
minority become US Army Rangers. They get their Ranger tab and become the
most elite in THEIR industry. They didn't quit

Why? There has to be a deep rooted something in their brain that motivates
them to push on, to meet the objective, to say that failure and quitting is
not an option. That's what you need man you just have to find out what that
is for you. So what are you going to do? Go ahead and quit CCIE
candidate...

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Joe Astorino
<joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Believe me -- There is a world of difference between somebody that has
> cheated their way to the top and somebody that has worked their way to
> the top. That goes for everything in life, not just the CCIE lab.
> Can it be cheated? Maybe. Does that effect you personally? Only if you
let it.
> Everybody has their motivations and their own things that make them
> tick to willingly put themselves in the situation to suffer in order
> to obtain greatness. What is yours? You really need to think about
> that, because when the going gets tough like it is right now for you,
> you need to remind yourself why you are doing this.
>
> These cheaters are not going to prosper in the real world. Remember,
> the CCIE is a foot in the door. When you show up for an interview,
> likely with other CCIEs and you don't know what a type 3 LSA is or how
> to configure a basic BGP peering, or what the administrative distance
> of EIGRP external routes are, you will fail the technical interview
> and you will not get a job. If you manage to get a job, you will
> likely be fired in short time because you don't have the skillset to
> do your job and you have no integrity.
>
> Don't quit man we are all here supporting you to become an expert. I
> would encourage you to do some soul searching and really find the
> answer to your own question "why am I doing this" because you will
> need the answer somewhere along your journey. For me personally, it
> was mostly for learning and because I wanted to be the most elite and
> best in my chosen field. Also, knowing that you can get a better job
> and a higher salary do not hurt...but for me personally it was all
> about proving something to myself and continuing to grow as an engineer
and as a person.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino
> CCIE #24347
> Blog: http://astorinonetworks.com
>
> "He not busy being born is busy dying" - Dylan
>
>

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Regards,
Joe Astorino
CCIE #24347
Blog: http://astorinonetworks.com
"He not busy being born is busy dying" - Dylan
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