Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts

Calin,
I did my CCIE by utilising online bootcamps and mock labs that are offered from many vendors. Save on the travelling and hotel costs, take the online bootcamp from your home, if you feel you need it.

HTH,
Farhan Anwar
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-----Original Message-----
From: shiran guez <shiranp3_at_gmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:43:03
To: Calin C.<calin_at_engineer.com>
Reply-To: shiran guez <shiranp3_at_gmail.com>
Cc: <daniel.dib_at_reaper.nu>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts

20K Euro is a lot of money, a boot-camp will speed your process to become a
CCIE but is it worth 20K I think it depends who need it and how fast when a
Cisco Partner need a CCIE and he decide to promote one of his workers he
will send them to boot-camp because it is fast and he will get
the investment back relativly fast, however if you personally doing it I am
not sure you are going to pay back your investment that fast.

I have done my CCIE without boot-camp' in total including
learning martial labs transatlantic flights 2 attempts and hotel's it cost
me ~7000USD may be a little less.

good luck

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Calin C. <calin_at_engineer.com> wrote:

> Hello Daniel,
>
> "...but if
> > B the CCIE does nothing for them..."
>
> Maybe I have to add some clarification. I'm being sold by my hiring company
> as a consultant (or external partner) to other companies. Maybe I'm not into
> marketing stuff, but I think selling a CCIE worth more than selling a CCNP /
> CCIP :)
>
> So, event if they don't have a plan to go further on with Cisco
> partnership, I think they will gain something from my increased knowledge.
>
> Thanks for reply!
>
> Cheers,
> Calin
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: daniel.dib_at_reaper.nu
> > Sent: 09/12/11 11:02 AM
> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts
> >
> > On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:09:08 -0400, Calin C. wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I have here an ethical problem, more than a technical one and I said
> > > to ask you guys, maybe somebody can give me an advice.
> > >
> > > Scenario is the following.
> > >
> > > For some time now I've been preparing for CCIE entirely on my own
> > > costs (learning in my spare time, rack rental / equipment
> > > acquisition,
> > > exam fee, accomodation, travel...).I sit to an exam a while ago
> > > (about
> > > a year) and fail. Came back home and start preparing again.
> > >
> > > Now I want to sit to another lab in some months and I was thinking
> > > that maybe a bootcamp will help. I've ask around some friends and one
> > > of them confirmed that he was in a bootcamp (company name not
> > > important, location Germany) and costs were about 20.000 euro ( 3
> > > weeks bootcamp, accomodation, travel...). This is a lot of money for
> > > me and I was thinking to ask my company to support me. I've found a
> > > cheaper bootcamp (5 days around 2.200 euro + accomodation and travel,
> > > let's say up to 3.500 euro). I've presented the above numbers to my
> > > company and their answer was that they are willing to support me, but
> > > only for the efective cost of the exam itself.
> > >
> > > Maybe it's important to say that I have other certifications (CCNP,
> > > CCIP, CXFS...) which are registered to my company for Cisco
> > > partnership.
> > >
> > > Finally we arrive to my issue:
> > >
> > > I will keep on supporting my way to CCIE on my own costs (let's say
> > > that the 5 days bootcamp I could afford to pay by my own, or buy the
> > > workbooks and practice on my own rack). I this case, my question is,
> > > if I will get a CCIE number, this will be automatically assigned to
> > > the company that I'm registered with? I've tried to explain to them
> > > that if this is the case, I would find it a little bit unfair to use
> > > my number. The cost of the exam itself is nothing compared to the
> > > rest
> > > of efforts.
> > >
> > > Please don't get me wrong. I'm fully satisfied with the company that
> > > I'm working on and I don't want to leave it. From financial and
> > > social
> > > perspective I'm happy with my position. I just want them to
> > > understand
> > > that nothing in life is free and CCIE comes with a costs that I have
> > > to either recover somehow or they need to sponsor my efforts.
> > >
> > > Any input will be appreciated (especially to my question about CCIE
> > > number - company relationship).
> > >
> > > Thanks for reading this long e-mail!
> > >
> > > Calin
> >
> > B Use the Partner Self Service tool available from the Partner portal to
> > B see if you are assigned to a company. If you are then I suppose the
> CCIE
> > B will automatically be accredited to that company. Going to a 20k
> > B bootcamp seems like a waste, many people do pass the lab without a
> > B bootcamp. If you want to go to one go for one that is for a week. That
> > B should be enough. Does your company need your CCIE to acheive a certain
> > B partner level? Maybe they don't and then they are not that interested
> in
> > B paying for it? They should still pay you for the competence and skills
> > B you have achieved when becoming a CCIE through a higher salary but if
> > B the CCIE does nothing for them partnerwise maybe they are reluctant to
> > B pay costs for it. Just trying to get a grip of your situation.
> >
> > B /Daniel
> >
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