Re: Packet delivery on a Ethernet Wire

POE uses the same wires for data and power in 100Base-T,
what's the problem ?

Joe Astorino @ 31/07/2011 15:47 -0300 dixit:
> If all 4 pairs are used in 1000Base-T I wonder how POE also rolls into
> that...
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Carlos G Mendioroz <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar
> <mailto:tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>> wrote:
>
> On 1G 1000BASE-T, pairs are bidirectional, full duplex.
> (Like your POTS phone line, you can talk while you listen)
> No collisions.
> Signal treatment is beyong my current understanding, but it uses 5
> levels in each pair!
> Amazing...
>
>
> Irfan Sid @ 31/07/2011 11:32 -0300 dixit:
>
>
> On 1 Gig link pin 4,5, 7 and 8 are bi-directional meaning the
> same wire will be used for Tx and Rx?
> And for 10/100 those pins are not used at all, so 10/100 is
> serial rather then parrallel.
> Does that mean that odd collison is possible on both since they
> are bidirectional packet streams??
>
>
> http://pinouts.ws/rj-45-__pinout.html
> <http://pinouts.ws/rj-45-pinout.html>
>
>
> http://pinouts.ru/Net/__Ethernet10BaseT_pinout.shtml
> <http://pinouts.ru/Net/Ethernet10BaseT_pinout.shtml>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Carlos G Mendioroz
> <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar <mailto:tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>
> <mailto:tron_at_huapi.ba.ar <mailto:tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>>> wrote:
>
> I stand corrected, in 1000BASE-T there are 4 bidirectional
> signal paths,
> so it's basically a parallel interface.
>
> Sorry about that.
> -Carlos
>
> Aaron Riemer @ 31/07/2011 05:36 -0300 dixit:
>
> Yep. However just doing some reading it looks like
> Gigabit copper
> (1000BaseT) uses all four pairs and this link seems to
> suggest
> that data is
> sent in parallel.
>
> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/____tech/tk389/tk214/tech_____digest09186a0080091a86.html
> <http://www.cisco.com/en/US/__tech/tk389/tk214/tech___digest09186a0080091a86.html>
>
> <http://www.cisco.com/en/US/__tech/tk389/tk214/tech___digest09186a0080091a86.html
> <http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk389/tk214/tech_digest09186a0080091a86.html>>
>
> "1000BASE-T works by using all four of the Category 5
> pairs to
> achieve 1000
> Mbps operation over the installed Category 5 copper cabling.
> 1000 Mbps data
> rates are achieved by sending and receiving a 250 Mbps data
> stream over each
> of the four pairs simultaneously (4 X 250 Mbps = 1 Gbps)."
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Aaron.
>
>
>
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> Behalf Of
> Irfan Sid
> Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2011 1:02 PM
> To: Aaron Riemer
> Cc: Carlos G Mendioroz; Cisco certification; Cisco
> certification
> Subject: Re: Packet delivery on a Ethernet Wire
>
> So does that mean that in copper wire, you have two paths ie
> full duplex,
> one for transmit and one for recieve. One pair of the
> copper will be
> dedicated to tansmit and one to recieve. Each path
> transmitting
> serially.
>
> On Fibre its the same, you have two fibre's one for
> transmit and
> one for
> receive and data is transmitted serially on them.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Aaron Riemer
> <ariemer_at_amnet.net.au <mailto:ariemer_at_amnet.net.au>
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> My apologies. I must have misread.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/____Data_transmission
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Data_transmission>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Data_transmission
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_transmission>>
>
> Thanks for clearing that up.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Aaron.
>
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> To: Aaron Riemer
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> Subject: Re: Packet delivery on a Ethernet Wire
>
> Aaron,
> copper has "pairs" because you use one wire as a
> reference
> to the other.
> But there is only one signal path (each way), and it
> works
> serially.
> -Carlos
>
> Aaron Riemer @ 27/7/2011 4:09 -0300 dixit:
>
> Hi Irfan,
>
> I believe with copper Ethernet (100BaseTX for
> example)
> since there are
> copper "pairs" the data is sent in parallel. I would
> assume the only way
> parallel data transmission would work with fibre
> is if a
> different band
>
> of
>
> light is used (CWDM for example).
>
> Queuing on the router/switch only affects packets
> within
> the router
>
> itself
>
> and has no bearing on packets along the wire (unless
> they are dropped).
>
> Tools such as compression / LFI / DSCP marking are
> examples of the
>
> router
>
> manipulating the packets in some way before
> transmission
> out an
>
> interface.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Aaron.
>
>
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> Irfan Sid
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2011 1:48 PM
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> Subject: Packet delivery on a Ethernet Wire
>
> This maybe a stupid question would appreciate if
> someone
> can clearify:
>
> Are Ethernet packets delivered serially on the
> physcial
> medium ie copper
>
> or
>
> fibre - one after another in one single file or
> line if
> you will. Or are
> they delivered in parallel ie. two or more
> packets can be in
>
> transmission
>
> along each other in parallel.
>
> Also when you enable queueing on Router/switch. Does
> this only effect
>
> the
>
> behaviour of how the router treats the packet on the
> inbound or outbound
> interface or does it also effect the behaviour of the
> packet when it is
> actually in transit on the wire itself.
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