Re: CCIE R&S Decline

>Scott Morris for president!

For which vendor?? I can only vote along party lines!! :D

m

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Scott Morris for president!
> On Jul 11, 2011 11:17 AM, "Vladimir Osipenko" <tiffolk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > Who is Scott Morris?
> >
> > On 11 July 2011 19:18, -Hammer- <bhmccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Marc,
> >> You just lost about 2/3rds of the audience with the Highlander
> >> reference. :) You'll have to reference Scott as "Syler" from "Heroes"
> >> for the young folk.
> >>
> >> -Hammer-
> >>
> >> "I was a normal American nerd"
> >> -Jack Herer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 07/11/2011 09:57 AM, marc abel wrote:
> >>> I don't know. I heard that if you kill a CCIE you get his power. Maybe
> >>> Scott Morris is hunting them down all Highlander style. This could
> >>> account for the high number of deaths.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There can be only one.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
> >>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Sorry I'm not buying death as even a top 10 candidate for the decline
> in ccie's...
> >>>>
> >>>> Assume the cert became availabe in 1993 and the average age of a
> passee
> for the life of the program was 37 (I'll even let you make this an
> unbelievable 50!!!)
> >>>>
> >>>> The actuarial odds of 1,000 of say HALF of 17,000 (let's assume half
> passed in the first 10 years of the program) or 8500 BEFORE age 70 with a
> western style of living, would mean no one under 70 would be allowed life
> insurance to say the least :).
> >>>>
> >>>> So, let's end that old maid's tale Cisco would find convienient that
> their premier certification is LOSING head count due to deaths...
> >>>>
> >>>> It's not credible. I'm sure you can go lookup what percent of
> males/females making what a ccie averages globally die before age 70 in
> countries like USA, Belgium, England, Japan... (And we know I let you use
> "50" when its probably more like "37" for median age, so we are really
> talking about 57 year olds dropping dead...)
> >>>>
> >>>> I would say the top 10 reasons for the decline are:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Lack of interest in renewing (in same career). Didn't get raise or
> 20 year old hot secretary they wanted for passing...
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. Change of job role, no need to renew (in same career, but say move
> to management).
> >>>>
> >>>> 3. Chage of careers cert no longer needed
> >>>>
> >>>> 4. Unfamiliar/intimidated with new topics (how many of us have worked
> with an "old timer ccie" who was not able to say how to config mpls or
> modern qos???)
> >>>>
> >>>> 5. Unaware they RECENTLY expired. Yes cisco did JUST start emailing
> people these last few months... (a good half of the drops could be already
> planning on
> >>>> Retaking the written or more per your data, we don't know)
> >>>>
> >>>> 6. Disenfranchisement with the requirement they recertify - I hear
> many
> older ccie's think that like the retired California Highway Patrol
> "Commissioner Emeritus" on late night tv (admit you have seen him NOW!)
> they
> should be able to "wear their uniform" years after they retire... So they
> just let it expire as a protest
> >>>>
> >>>> 7. Went on to the "10 years" ccie emeritus program catchall and think
> >>>> this is acceptible enough (5 recerts could probably do this to anyone)
> >>>>
> >>>> 8. Wife and kids won't allow them time to study. (See "The Shining"
> starring Jack Nicholson for a possible solution to get your ccie back)
> >>>>
> >>>> 9. Fraud. Many passed or skated using dumps and just didn't value the
> cert. I'm sure the 5 guys with the same name in Bejing who passed ALL on
> the
> SAME day a few years back didn't need the cert again...
> >>>>
> >>>> 10. Retirement from Cisco (Many of the early passers worked there).
> They just don't need the cert anymore as it was part of a career they
> retired honorably from. Not bad if you made it out with above water stock
> options :) and you saved well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Vladimir Osipenko [mailto:tiffolk_at_gmail.com]
> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 07:57 AM
> >>>> To: Joseph L. Brunner
> >>>> Cc: Farrukh Haroon<farrukhharoon_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification<
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Decline
> >>>>
> >>>> And you know, people sometimes die...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11 July 2011 11:47, Joseph L. Brunner<joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> No the need is down so the demand is down...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How many people are building new big expensive networks in a
> depression?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How many US banks are just "keeping what they have running"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How many new global players that are building new networks are using
> Juniper?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Look around these days - its mostly professional services firms
> hiring
> CCIE's - and who wants to work for them LOL
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Farrukh Haroon
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:21 AM
> >>>>> To: Cisco certification
> >>>>> Subject: CCIE R&S Decline
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear All
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I came across this interesting link, I was wondering how or why the
> CCIE
> >>>>> RnS count could go down by almost 1k in less than a year? The actual
> figure
> >>>>> might be even higher than 2k (if you look at the nice math at the end
> of
> >>>>> that link<wink> )
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Was the recession so tough that people could not afford for the
> written exam
> >>>>> fees and few hours of study to renew their cert?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://bradreese.com/blog/5-24-2011.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Farrukh
> >>>>>
> >>>>> P.S. I have confirmed those stats myself from one CCIE
> Live/Networkers
> >>>>> presentation (have a live pass)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
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