Re: MacBook pro - OT

Come on, Guys, Mac doesn't have Miranda IM =)

And all that stuff with vendor's VPN clients? Or VMware vSphere Client?

And so on...

I use T61p with windows 7, no problem at all.
3 years without service.

On 27 June 2011 21:30, Raghava <raghava.rao85_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Good to see MAC topping the list of cisco techie guys...
>
> Everyone loves MAC here, as its cool...with all features...
>
> But I use HP Elitebook with i5....:(
> That's it enough for me..I am going to buy a MAc soon..now..super excited to owe one..
>
> Good to know everyones views...
>
> Apple macintosh everyday, keeps other laptops away.. :P
>
>
> <raghava>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerryB.
>
>
> It matters not how strait the gate,
> How charged with punishments the scroll.
> I am the master of my fate:
> I am the captain of my soul.
>
> -- Taken from "Invictus" by William Ernest Henley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:35:32
> To: marc edwards<renorider_at_gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: john matijevic<john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>; Marko Milivojevic<markom_at_ipexpert.com>; Carl Gosselin<carl.gosselin_at_altizone.com>; Jeferson Guardia<jefersonf_at_gmail.com>; Rick Mur<rmur_at_ipexpert.com>; Scott Morris<swm_at_emanon.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: MacBook pro - OT
>
> Marc,
>
> No arguments there, my older brother has few MAC stores in Sydney and we all
> use MACs and i love it, because the thing works.
> I mentioned the price, because some companies look at the initial cost and
> support, but i believe in a very near future MACs will take over.
>
> I run Win7 with Parallel and i do not have any problems.
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:16 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hmmmmm. Everyone at Cisco works on Mac's. Seems like all of us in this
>> string are fans of Macs. Virtualization allows for any platform to
>> work within a MAC.
>>
>> Sorry to disagree Narbik, I believe that MAC's are comparable and
>> affordable versus the Business class series of Dell/HP. I run a mini
>> at home that costed under $800 with 8 gb of RAM. A pro can be bought
>> for under $1500 which is cheaper than my work spent on the HP I am
>> typing on. Macs are more power friendly so there could be realized
>> cost savings on running them. Especially over the lifetime of the
>> device.
>>
>> If my boss gives me a Windows box, I most likely throw Ubuntu on it
>> and virtualize the windows environment anyways. Windows has seen its
>> hayday and I think times are changing. This is more than just a trend,
>> it is a technological revolution. Stay ahead of the curve and buy a
>> MAC!
>>
>> Marc Edwards
>> http://reno-ccie.blogsppot.com
>> http://cisco-voyage.blogspot.com
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > John,
>> >
>> > I could be wrong but i honestly think it's the price.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:59 AM, john matijevic <
>> john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Helllo Team,
>> >>
>> >> I also considered an Apple, but from working with Fortune 500 companies,
>> I
>> >> find that more businesses uses Windows PCs.
>> >> At least most likely a Windows PC will be assigned rather than a MAC,
>> from
>> >> a
>> >> business point of view. Perhaps smaller companies allow you to be more
>> >> flexible, bigger businesses tend to lease equipment and assign to keep
>> >> standard from support point of view.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Marko Milivojevic <
>> markom_at_ipexpert.com
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have to agree with "1 year" reevaluation. I haven't touched OG for
>> >> > more than a year now, but I kept an eye on it. I don't see any
>> >> > dramatic changes. 100% compatibility with Visio would be a must, yet I
>> >> > doubt we'll ever see that. I'm still hoping for a miracle from
>> >> > Microsoft and a Mac version of Visio :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>> >> > Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
>> >> >
>> >> > FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
>> >> >
>> >> > Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
>> >> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>> >> > Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 08:14, Carl Gosselin <
>> carl.gosselin_at_altizone.com
>> >> >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > > Yes I tried Omnigraffle and I too was not too impressed with the
>> >> results
>> >> > but
>> >> > > what really killed my hopes for going Mac only was the fact that you
>> >> had
>> >> > to
>> >> > > go through a web site for file conversion between Omnigraffle and
>> >> Visio.
>> >> > > Like sharing files with otherB collaboratorsB pr clients isn't aB
>> >> > necessity!!!
>> >> > > I tried Cross-Over for Visio but I found that the video rendering
>> >> > wasn't up
>> >> > > to par.... VMware Fusion in Unity mode gives me the best of both
>> >> > worlds...
>> >> > > I haven't reevaluated for over a year now maybe things improved but
>> I'm
>> >> > > happy with my setup.
>> >> > > -Carl
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Marko Milivojevic <
>> >> markom_at_ipexpert.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Oh - add one more. Actually 6 more (that's how much I love Macs).
>> My
>> >> > >> workhorse is 27" iMac and my laptop is 17" MBP with 8G RAM and SSD.
>> >> > >> You would have to pry them from my dead cold hands to replace them
>> >> > >> with Windows machines.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> And again - Visio is the only reason for me having VMware.
>> OmniGraffle
>> >> > >> is just a toy in comparison, I'm afraid.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> --
>> >> > >> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>> >> > >> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
>> >> > >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>> >> > >> Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 06:49, Jeferson Guardia <
>> jefersonf_at_gmail.com>
>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >> > wow.. I didnt expect this discussion to go so further nor I didnt
>> >> > expect
>> >> > >> > so
>> >> > >> > many CCIE's crazy for macs :-) I thought I was one of kind along
>> >> with
>> >> > a
>> >> > >> > few
>> >> > >> > other guys.. great points raised though.. I was really interested
>> on
>> >> > >> > getting
>> >> > >> > the 512GB SSD but it's like 1,2k more.. It's gotta be really
>> worth
>> >> it
>> >> > to
>> >> > >> > put
>> >> > >> > on that extra money.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I've heard I can buy a 128gb SSD unit later on and replace my CD
>> >> drive
>> >> > >> > for
>> >> > >> > that HD.. I might do that.. :-)
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > thanks for everyone's contributtion, my mac is coming really soon
>> >> and
>> >> > im
>> >> > >> > getting rid of everything including my dell's employee i5..
>> >> whatever!!
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > --
>> >> > >> > Jeferson Guardia
>> >> > >> > CCIE #28157
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > 2011/6/27 Rick Mur <rmur_at_ipexpert.com>
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >> You can just call me by name Scott ;-) It's been a while since I
>> >> sat
>> >> > >> >> across
>> >> > >> >> of you ;)
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> I have the 11" Air with 1.6Ghz and 4GB RAM and 128GB SSD. I can
>> do
>> >> > >> >> anything
>> >> > >> >> on this machine as I could on my previous Core 2 Duo 17" Macbook
>> >> Pro.
>> >> > >> >> VMware
>> >> > >> >> runs blazing fast! As Scott mentioned I use Windows mostly for
>> >> Visio
>> >> > as
>> >> > >> >> OmniGraffle has the worst Visio export ever and I kind-of need
>> to
>> >> > share
>> >> > >> >> the
>> >> > >> >> files with other people. So yeah I also need Windows for just 1
>> >> app.
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> --
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Regards,
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Rick Mur
>> >> > >> >> CCIE3 #21946 (R&S / SP / Storage), JNCIP-M #1352
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> > The SSD is well worth it IMHO. B Power-on is awesome. B Even
>> with
>> >> > >> >> > full
>> >> > >> >> > disk encryption, I'm up and logging in within 15 seconds and
>> >> ready
>> >> > to
>> >> > >> >> > rock in about 30 seconds. B :) B (If disk check needs to be
>> run
>> >> it
>> >> > >> >> > may be
>> >> > >> >> > 60 seconds, but still much better than normal HDD!)
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > Omnigraffle as mentioned works well for Visio files. B But
>> just
>> >> as
>> >> > >> >> > easily, VMware Fusion with an XP image should run blazing fast
>> >> > >> >> > (faster
>> >> > >> >> > on Mac/VM than on my Lenovo T61!).
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > But Visio and Quicken are about the only things that I rely on
>> >> > >> >> > Windoze
>> >> > >> >> > for any longer. B Other than the occasional #$*&#ing web site
>> >> that
>> >> > >> >> > requires Internet Exploder.
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > I own the 17" and love it. B Even though large, it's still
>> quite
>> >> > >> >> > light.
>> >> > >> >> > But with the new versions of things, the 15" MBP or 15" Aire
>> >> should
>> >> > >> >> > be
>> >> > >> >> > just as good in most instances.
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > I'm sitting across from someone running the Aire with SSD and
>> >> > swears
>> >> > >> >> > it
>> >> > >> >> > does everything he needs!
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > Pricey yes, but definitely worth it IMHO!
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
>> Provider)
>> >> > >> >> > #4713,
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > swm_at_emanon.com
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > Knowledge is power.
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > Power corrupts.
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > On 6/26/11 4:54 AM, Jeferson Guardia wrote:
>> >> > >> >> > > wow this topic raised SO many good opinions and advices.. Im
>> >> > >> >> > > definetly
>> >> > >> >> > going
>> >> > >> >> > > for a mac.. :-)
>> >> > >> >> > >
>> >> > >> >> > > So, do you guys think is worth adding an extra 1200 USD for
>> >> > getting
>> >> > >> >> > > the
>> >> > >> >> > > 500GB SSD ? My friend told me its just AWESOME.. I think
>> I`ll
>> >> get
>> >> > a
>> >> > >> >> > 15inch
>> >> > >> >> > > i7 8gb with that 500gb SSD.. is gonna be a little bit
>> expensive
>> >> > but
>> >> > >> >> such
>> >> > >> >> > a
>> >> > >> >> > > nice machine..
>> >> > >> >> > >
>> >> > >> >> > > thanks everyone for jumping in :) fun times!!
>> >> > >> >> > >
>> >> > >> >> > > 2011/6/25 Carl Gosselin <carl.gosselin_at_altizone.com>
>> >> > >> >> > >
>> >> > >> >> > >> I own the 17" MacBook Pro, being a consultant I found it
>> gave
>> >> me
>> >> > >> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> >> > best
>> >> > >> >> > >> package as a mobile office and I don't think it's heavy to
>> >> carry
>> >> > >> >> around.
>> >> > >> >> > I
>> >> > >> >> > >> do appreciate the aluminum casing for durability and
>> style!! I
>> >> > >> >> > >> have a
>> >> > >> >> > Time
>> >> > >> >> > >> Capsule at home for wireless backups... Other then that I
>> use
>> >> > >> >> > >> iTerm
>> >> > >> >> and
>> >> > >> >> > >> VMware fusion for Visio and other Windows app. I did run
>> into
>> >> > >> >> > >> issues
>> >> > >> >> > with
>> >> > >> >> > >> Parallel that pushed me towards fusion but that 3 years
>> ago...
>> >> I
>> >> > >> >> > >> paid
>> >> > >> >> > for
>> >> > >> >> > >> the 8GB RAM and 500GB SSD and it was worth it!!!
>> >> > >> >> > >> I would never go back now that I went Mac!!
>> >> > >> >> > >> -Carl
>> >> > >> >> > >> ;-)
>> >> > >> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >> > >> ==============================
>> >> > >> >> > >> Carl Gosselin CCIE R&S Voice #15228
>> >> > >> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >> > >> On 2011-06-25, at 20:53, Alexei Monastyrnyi <
>> >> > alexeim73_at_gmail.com>
>> >> > >> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >> > >>> My wife has a 13" one, the only downside is no anti-glare
>> >> > screen
>> >> > >> >> > >>> for
>> >> > >> >> > >>> this screen size. VMWare Fusion is good, although they say
>> >> > >> >> Parallelsis
>> >> > >> >> > >>> 20% faster. And you may find them quite warm siting on
>> your
>> >> lap
>> >> > >> >> > >>> when
>> >> > >> >> > >>> they are running. :-)
>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>> >> > >> >> > >>> Cheers
>> >> > >> >> > >>> A.
>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>> >> > >> >> > >>> On 6/26/2011 6:53 AM, Jeferson Guardia wrote:
>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Hi,
>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Sorry.. This is Totally OT .. I know that..
>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >> >> > >>>> I'm a network eng.. Working a lot on pre-sales (visio
>> diags
>> >> > etc)
>> >> > >> >> > >>>> and
>> >> > >> >> > >> lots of routing voice etc..
>> >> > >> >> > >>>> I wanna get rid of my Dell and get a mac pro for work and
>> >> > fun..
>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Which one should I get .. The 13.3 , 15 or 17? I don't
>> want
>> >> > >> >> > >>>> anything
>> >> > >> >> > >> very heavy because I move a lot.. So I don't think of
>> getting
>> >> > the
>> >> > >> >> > >> 17
>> >> > >> >> > inch..
>> >> > >> >> > >> Any recommendations from Mac users working on networks and
>> >> > stuff??
>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Regards,
>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >> >> > >>>> B ............................
>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Jeferson Guardia
>> >> > >> >> > >>>> CCIE #28157
>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
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