RE: Recomment routers for CCIE Lab

Sorry to Hijack but I am tossing up between 3x 3725 and 3x 1841 for my lab
as well as my 2600XM's won't do MPLS!!

The 3725's are a heck of a lot cheaper. I have done a feature comparison and
below are the features I will miss out on. Can anyone advise if any of these
are important or should I pay the extra and go 1841?

c3725-adventerprisek9-mz.124-15.T13.bin VS
c1841-adventerprisek9-mz.124-24.T2.bin

Some features missing of note:

MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE)
PfR

See below

Thanks,

Aaron.

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Access Point Link Role Flexibility
ACL syslog Correlation
Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) - CCMP
Any Transport over MPLS (AToM): HDLC over MPLS (HDLCoMPLS)
Any Transport over MPLS (AToM): PPP over MPLS (PPPoMPLS)
Application Inspection and Control for SMTP
ARP Optimization
Asynchronous Call Queueing by Role
Attribute Filtering Per-Domain and VRF Aware Framed-Routes
Attribute Screening For Access Requests
Authorization for Protocol Translation
Automatic Signature Extraction
BGP Configuration Using Peer Templates
BGP Cost Community
BGP Dynamic Update Peer-Groups
BGP Increased Support of Numbered as-path Access Lists
BGP Multicast Inter-AS (IAS) VPN
BGP Reduction in Transient Memory Usage
BGP Restart Neighbor Session After max-prefix Limit Reached
BGP Route-Map Continue
BGP Support for TTL Security Check
Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Standard Implementation
Broadcast Key Rotation
CEFv6 Switching for 6to4 Tunnels
Certificate IP Address Extension Support
CFM-2
Cisco Discovery Protocol (CDP) over ATM
Cisco Easy VPN Remote
Cisco IOS Content Filtering
Cisco IOS Firewall - SIP Enhancements: ALG and AIC
Cisco IOS Resilient Configuration
Class Based Traffic Policing with CLP Tagging
CLI for Displaying Certificates in Cisco IOS (Manageability Enhance...
CNS - Flow Through Provisioning
CNS - Image Agent
Command Scheduler (Kron)
Config Change Tracking Identifier
Config Logger Persistency
Configuration Rollback Confirmed Change
Consent feature for IOS Routers
CTCP Support on Easy VPN Clients
DES/3DES/AES VPN Encryption Module (AIM-VPN/BPII)
DHCP - DHCPv6 Individual Address Assignment
DHCP Accounting
DHCP Address Allocation using Option 82
DHCP Authorized ARP
DHCP Release and Renew CLI in Exec Mode
DHCP Server - On Demand Address Pool Manager
DHCP Server - Option to Ignore all BOOTP Requests
DNS Proxy
Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) and IEEE 802.11h Transmit Power ...
Dynamic Per VRF AAA
Dynamic Subscriber Bandwidth Selection
Easy VPN Client RSA - Signature Support
Easy VPN Remote
Easy VPN Remote : Multiple Inside Interface Enhancements
Easy VPN Remote: Local-Address Support
Easy VPN Remote: Manual Tunnel Control Enhancement
EasyVPN phase 7.1
Embedded Event Manager (EEM) 1.0
Embedded Event Manager (EEM) 2.4
Embedded Event Manager (EEM) 3.0
Embedded Menu Manager
Embedded Packet Capture
Embedded Resource Manager (ERM) - Packet Memory Reclamation
Ethernet Local Management Interface
ETSI Call Transfer
Event Tracer
Extended ACL support for IGMP to support SSM in IPv4
FAT32 Support
FIB Data Consistency Checking
Firewall Support for SIP
Flexible NetFlow
Flexible Netflow - IPv4 Multicast Statistics Support
Flexible Netflow - Layer 2 Fields
Flexible Netflow - MPLS Egress NetFlow
Flexible Netflow - NetflowV5 export protocol
Flexible NetFlow - Output Features on Data Export
Flexible Netflow - Top N Talkers Support
FPG: Endpoint Agnostic Port Allocation
Frame Mode TDM over G.shdsl
Frame Relay - PVC Bundles with IP QoS Support
Frame Relay - PVC Bundles with MPLS QoS Support
Frame Relay QoS features with Hierarchical Queueing Framework (HQF)
Framed-Route in RADIUS Accounting
GETVPN Phase 1.2
GETVPN Support for VRF-Lite
GLBP MD5 Authentication
Group Encrypted Transport VPN (GETVPN)
HFC RIP Relay
HTTP Cookie Support per RFC2965
IEEE 802.11b Support
IEEE 802.11d World Mode Support
IEEE 802.11g Support
IEEE 802.1x Authenticator
IEEE 802.1x Local Authentication for Cisco LEAP
IEEE 802.1x Local Authentication for EAP-FAST
IEEE 802.1x Supplicant Support for EAP-FAST
IEEE 802.3ah, Ethernet OAM
IGMP Fast Leave
IKE Responder-Only Mode
IM Blocking Support in IOS Firewall for ICQ & Windows Messenger
Inclusion of IP address for L2TP tunnel in AAA server response
Inclusion of MSISDN in AVP for L2TP tunnel
Inclusion of Standard authentication credential in sender AVP for L...
IOS Firewall Support for TRP - Phase 2
IOS SSL VPN Internationalisation
IOS-FW - H323 v3/v4 Support
IOS-FW - Support for Skinny Local Traffic & CME
IP Event Dampening
IP Overlapping Address Pools (AOP)
IP SLAs for Metro-Ethernet
IP SLAs VRF Aware 2.0
IP Traffic Export
IPsec Usability Enhancements
IPv6 - CNS Agents
IPv6 - Config Logger
IPv6 - HTTP(S)
IPv6 - IP SLAs (UDP Jitter, UDP Echo, ICMP Echo, TCP Connect)
IPv6 Access Services: AAA Support for RFC 3162 IPv6 RADIUS Attribut...
IPv6 Access Services: RBE
IPv6 ACL Extensions for IPsec Authentication Header
IPv6 Bidirectional PIM
IPv6 over DMVPN
IPv6 Switching: CEFv6 Switched ISATAP Tunnels
IPv6 VPN over MPLS (6VPE)
Jumbo Frames
L2TP - Large Scale Dial-Out per user attibute via AAA
L2TP Dial-Out Load Balancing & Redundancy
L2TP Redirect
L2TP Tunnel Connection Speed Labeling
Memory Leak Detector
Microsoft WPS IE SSIDL
Mobile IP - Mobile Networks v6 - Basic NEMO
Modem Calls over QSIG
MPLS - Multilink PPP support
MPLS TE - Fast Reroute over ATM
MPLS TE - Fast Tunnel Interface Down Detection
MPLS TE - Node Protection Desired Bit
MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) - AutoTunnel Primary and Backup
MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) - Class-based Tunnel Selection
MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) - Configurable Path Calculation Metri...
MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) - Fast Reroute (FRR) Link and Node Pr...
MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) - Interarea Tunnels
MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) - LSP Attributes
MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) - Path Protection
MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) - RSVP Graceful Restart
MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) - RSVP Hello State Timer
MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) - Scalability Enhancements
MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE): Verbatim Path Support
MPLS Traffic Engineering - AutoTunnel Mesh Groups
MPLS Traffic Engineering - Policy Routing onto MPLS TE Tunnels
MPLS Traffic Engineering Forwarding Adjacency
MPLS Traffic Engineering--Inter-AS TE
MPLS Traffic Engineering: Shared Risk Link Groups (SRLG)
MSDP compliance with IETF RFC 3618
Multicast Fast Switching Performance Improvement
Multiple Basic Service Set ID (BSSID)
Multiple SSIDs
NAC - L2 IEEE 802.1x
NAT-PT: Support for Fragmentation
NAT-PT: Support for FTP ALG
NAT-PT: Support for Overload (PAT)
NSF Awareness (Nonstop Forwarding Awareness)
Object Groups for ACLs
OER - Inbound Optimization thru BGP
OER Port and Protocol Based Prefix Learning
OER Support for Cost-Based Optimization and Traceroute Reporting
OER VPN IPsec/GRE Tunnel Optimization
Peer Pool Backup Support
Per-User QoS via AAA Policy Name
Performance Routing with NBAR/CCE Application Recognition
PfR - Protocol Independent Route Optimization (PIRO)
PKI - CLI to Control Certificate Revocation List (CRL) Cache
PPPoE Client DDR Idle-Timer
PPPoE Connection Throttling
PPPoE MTU Adjustment
PPPoE Relay
PPPoE Server Restructuring and PPPoE Profiles
PPPoE Service Selection
PPPoE Session Limit per NAS port
QoS - Hierarchical Queueing Framework (HQF)
RADIUS Attribute 104
RADIUS Attribute 52 and 53 Gigaword Support
RADIUS Attribute 77 for DSL
RADIUS Attribute 91 Encrypted and Tagged VSA Support
RADIUS Centralized Filter Management
RADIUS EAP Support
RADIUS Logical Line ID
RADIUS NAS-IP-Address Configurability
RADIUS Server per SSID
RADIUS Server Reorder on Fail
RADIUS Timeout set during Pre-Authentication
RADIUS VC Logging
RFC-2867 Tunnel Accounting
RSVP - Previous Hop Overwrite
Secure Device Provisioning (SDP) Connect Template
Secure Neighbor Discovery (SEND) for Cisco IOS
Session Limit Per VRF
Simple Network-enabled Auto Provisioning (SNAP)
SSHv2 Enhancements
SSLVPN - Access Control Enhancements
SSLVPN - AnyConnect Client Support
SSLVPN - Back End HTTP Proxy
SSLVPN - Full-Tunnel CEF Support
SSLVPN - URL Rewrite Splitter
Stateful Failover for IPSec
Static IP (AZR) and SSG Plug-and-Play
Subscriber Service Switch
Support for IUA with SCTP for Cisco Access Servers
TACACS+ Per VRF
TR-069 - Support for Ethernet LAN Profile, Time Profile, ATM Loopba...
TR-069 Agent (CWMP - CPE Wan Management Protocol)
Transparent IOS Firewall
Tunnel Authentication via Radius on LNS
Universal Client Mode
USB eToken 64KB smartcard support
USB Storage PKI Enhancements
User Based Firewall Support
Vendor-Specific RADIUS Attributes
VLAN Assignment By Name
VLAN Range
VPDN Default Group Template
VPDN Multihop by DNIS
VPN Routing Forwarding (VRF) Framed Route (Pool) Assignment via PPP
VRF-Aware VPDN Tunnels
Warm Reload
WCCP Layer 2 Redirection / Forwarding
WCCP Mask Assignment
Web Services Management Agent (WSMA)
Wi-Fi Multimedia (WMM) Required Elements
Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA)
Wireless Non-Root Bridge
World Mode
XML-PI

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Negron
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2011 2:14 PM
To: Narbik Kocharians; ACHAL GUPTA
Cc: Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Recomment routers for CCIE Lab

It's pretty much a 3800 with very limited RAM.

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Paul Negron
CCIE# 14856 CCSI# 22752
Senior Technical Instructor
www.micronicstraining.com
> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:06:57 -0700
> To: ACHAL GUPTA <achalguptaag_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: Cisco certification <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: Recomment routers for CCIE Lab
> 
> Have you looked at 3725s?
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:22 PM, ACHAL GUPTA <achalguptaag_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
>>  Hi Experts,
>> 
>> Am i loosing some or any features by buying 4* Cisco 2610 Series
Router..Is
>> this recommened to buy for CCIE R&S Lab Preparation...I just checked they
>> don't support IPv6..but i have other 3 Cisco 2620 which do support
>> IPv6..Should i buy these Cisco 2610 Series Routers...Please guide me if i
>> am
>> loosing any features requried specifially from the CCIE R&S Lab Point of
>> View..
>> 
>> And I am planning to buy bunch of WIC-1T for my CCIE Lab preparation,
>> Please
>> let me know if they are well suited for CCIE Lab Preparation.
>> 
>> Many Thanks in Advance.
>> 
>> Achal Gupta
>> CCNA,CCNP
>> 
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