Re: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0

 I agree with Narbik completely regarding the emulator for IOS XR. If
 the same thing happened to the RS exam with the 6500's and sup720 vss
 then they would financially put the CCIE equipment out of reach for self
 study candidates thus shooting themselves in the foot if they do not
 release an emulator/simulator fully capable of covering all technologies
 found in the lab blueprint.

 When the new SP track goes in affect the number of CCIE SP's will
 obviously decline sharply as very few companies rent out Cisco XR12000
 Series Routers and when they do the price to rent a rack with an XR12000
 Series router(s) will be fairly expensive due to the price of the
 router(s).

 Also requiring the CCIE lab exam for re-certification is just stupid.
 It's hard enough to pass as it is not to mention the stress it can put
 on many candidates financial portfolio and relationship/marriages/social
 life while initially trying to obtain the certification.

 -Matthew George

 On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 08:48:41 -0800, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> I was not complaining about the IOS XR, i was stating that Cisco
> should come
> up with a simulator like dynamips for ios XR, maybe a new version of
> IOU,
> there is a difference. I think what i said is still there in Cisco
> learning. In SP track, i think they should have kept what we have
> today and
> add the new track as the core operation.
>
> So Ryan what do you do these days to study for re-certification?
> You still need to study at least 10 books or so, have a look at the
> blueprint. Don't tell me it takes you a week of ignoring your family
> to
> study for the written. I know lots of people that study for a week
> and
> memorize the questions, but i am sure you don't do that. It should
> take you
> around 2 months to truly study for the written.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com> wrote:
>
>> Ram,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thats news to me, just checked out the 4500E Hardware and Software
>> update
>> slides and didnt see any mention of VSS in the roadmap. Is this
>> one of
>> those things like the arrival of the Sup2T, with an ever sliding
>> release
>> date? I would love to see VSS in the 4500 line, but I think it may
>> cannibalize part of the 6500 BU. Theyre already losing the data
>> center
>> core role and being turned into large access and services switch.
>> As it
>> stands right now, the Sup7E has faster line cards than the 6500, 48
>> ports
>> non-blocking, at least until the 80G Sup2t hits the market.
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree that the VSS addition to the 4500 line will make it even
>> more
>> popular, but still will be hardly practical for study:
>>
>>
>>
>> The lowest end borderless bundle that will get you access to VSS,
>> IMO would
>> be WS-C4510RE-S7+96V+, which is nice but not really cheap. A single
>> Sup7E
>> is more than half that price outright.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheapest I can get into a 6500 VSS kit that see is the 6504E with no
>> line
>> cards and a single chassis, around the same as the 4510E bundle.
>> Still
>> sounds like a steep entry point for anything other than rented rack
>> time.
>>
>>
>>
>> -ryan
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ram Hispren Shummoogum [mailto:hispren_at_gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 9:36 AM
>> *To:* Ryan West
>> *Cc:* Narbik Kocharians; Shahid Ansari; Aaron Riemer; Asif Gul Khan;
>> Cisco
>> certification
>> *Subject:* Re: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that VSS is in the roadmap for 4500 platform, ergo,
>> will be
>> very popular.
>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not following how having 6500's would make the entry point for
>> the
>> students who sing your praises any easier. Were you not just
>> complaining
>> about the introduction of XR onto the SP? There is no arguing that
>> the
>> install base of the 6500 is a staggering number, but VSS 1440 isn't
>> exactly
>> challenging to get stood up and is pretty solid if you understand
>> how to
>> balance your channel members and keep traffic off the VSL.
>>
>> I hope they reserve these technologies for the next track that I'm
>> really
>> anticipating, Data Center.
>>
>> I'd rather see strict entry points for taking the exam, like
>> verifiable
>> work experience and a vouching system. Maybe tests should change
>> more
> often
>> as well, I've heard this is still an issue, even in 4.0. Retesting
>> every 5
>> years sounds awesome, minus the whole 2 months of being basically
>> useless
> at
>> work and ignoring your entire family again, sounds convenient for
>> someone
>> teaching it all the time.
>>
>> Sent from handheld
>>
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:25 AM, "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I do agree with Shahid, but if it was up to me, the following is
>> what I
>> > would recommend:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. *The written exam should match the R&S blueprint*; it should be
>> the
>> > theory part of the lab. I believe that this will keep every one
>> honest
>> and
>> > knowledgeable; because a CCIE candidate will know that this
>> section is
>> the
>> > most important aspect of this cert; besides the fact that they
>> have to
>> keep
>> > on referring back to that information when they have difficulty
>> > understanding a given configuration.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2. *Remove some of the 3560 switches, and add 6500s*, this can be
>> either
>> 2
>> > of each, or any combination. This can somewhat emulate the real
>> world.
>> There
>> > are many differences between the two boxes. No matter where you go
>> these
>> > days, you will see these boxes. Could you imagine how well you
>> would know
>> > what s used out there? Your confidence level will be different.
>> >
>> > A CCNP test should have 4 3560s.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 3. *Remove the written test for re-certification*, and instead add
>> a
>> > mandatory lab every 5 years, this will keep us all at our BEST.
>> Maybe
>> allow
>> > three attempts before revoking the CCIE number.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 4. *Go back to the days that the topology and the questions were
>> given to
>> us
>> > on paper*. I do not buy the fact that this saves trees and etc
>> etc,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 5. *Give CCIEs something like a License that has the candidates
>> picture*,
>> i
>> > see a lot of people faking a lot of people, believe it or not in
>> few
>> > occasions i was teaching two different classes in two different
>> parts of
>> the
>> > world all at the same time, and one of us was horrible.
>> >
>> >
>> > 6. *I like to see the "two day" lab back again*. Could you
>> > imagine..........8 hours of configuration on day one, and another
>> 8 hours
>> of
>> > TS on day two; the TS should NOT have anything to do with what you
>> > configured on day one. Increase the price of the test to
>> accommodate this
>> > change. Wouldn t that be exciting?
>> >
>> > Maybe i am going crazy, i have been writing labs all day........i
>> am
>> going
>> > to sleep.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Shahid Ansari
>> <shahid1357_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> IMHO ,
>> >>
>> >> CCIE should have ability to understand new technologies .In
>> practical
>> world
>> >> ,dont be so product specific(Cisco product) but keep yourself
>> open for
>> all
>> >> IP products .
>> >> If your foundation is strong you are well enough to understand
>> new terms
>> .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> CCIE exams solution is not best practice but it is test for
>> engineers ;)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Shahid Ansari
>> >> Solution Architect
>> >> CCIE#20017
>> >> Kuwait
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Aaron Riemer
>> <ariemer_at_amnet.net.au>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Asif,
>> >>>
>> >>> Cisco need to cater for the broader population.
>> >>>
>> >>> How many organisations do you think run Nexus7k's and VSS? A lot
>> of
>> >>> engineers would not be as lucky as you to gain real world
>> experience in
>> >>> this
>> >>> area.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Aaron.
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> >>> Asif
>> >>> Gul Khan
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 2:54 PM
>> >>> To: Cisco certification
>> >>> Subject: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0
>> >>>
>> >>> All,
>> >>>
>> >>> Was working on some VSS stuff and implementation details and the
>> question
>> >>> came to my mind that why havent Cisco emphasized on VSS in CCIE
>> 4.0?
>> >> Still
>> >>> major switching portion is STP and HSRP based. Any particular
>> reason
>> for
>> >>> that? I believe CCIE Lab was meant to be real world test for
>> engineers
>> >> and
>> >>> I
>> >>> would be very shocked if I see an CCIE engineer who does not
>> have
>> enough
>> >>> knowledge on such an important technology. Is it focused in
>> CCDE?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Asif Khan
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *Narbik Kocharians
>> > *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not following how having 6500's would make the entry point for
>> the
>> students who sing your praises any easier. Were you not just
>> complaining
>> about the introduction of XR onto the SP? There is no arguing that
>> the
>> install base of the 6500 is a staggering number, but VSS 1440 isn't
>> exactly
>> challenging to get stood up and is pretty solid if you understand
>> how to
>> balance your channel members and keep traffic off the VSL.
>>
>> I hope they reserve these technologies for the next track that I'm
>> really
>> anticipating, Data Center.
>>
>> I'd rather see strict entry points for taking the exam, like
>> verifiable
>> work experience and a vouching system. Maybe tests should change
>> more
> often
>> as well, I've heard this is still an issue, even in 4.0. Retesting
>> every 5
>> years sounds awesome, minus the whole 2 months of being basically
>> useless
> at
>> work and ignoring your entire family again, sounds convenient for
>> someone
>> teaching it all the time.
>>
>> Sent from handheld
>>
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:25 AM, "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I do agree with Shahid, but if it was up to me, the following is
>> what I
>> > would recommend:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. *The written exam should match the R&S blueprint*; it should be
>> the
>> > theory part of the lab. I believe that this will keep every one
>> honest
>> and
>> > knowledgeable; because a CCIE candidate will know that this
>> section is
>> the
>> > most important aspect of this cert; besides the fact that they
>> have to
>> keep
>> > on referring back to that information when they have difficulty
>> > understanding a given configuration.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2. *Remove some of the 3560 switches, and add 6500s*, this can be
>> either
>> 2
>> > of each, or any combination. This can somewhat emulate the real
>> world.
>> There
>> > are many differences between the two boxes. No matter where you go
>> these
>> > days, you will see these boxes. Could you imagine how well you
>> would know
>> > what s used out there? Your confidence level will be different.
>> >
>> > A CCNP test should have 4 3560s.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 3. *Remove the written test for re-certification*, and instead add
>> a
>> > mandatory lab every 5 years, this will keep us all at our BEST.
>> Maybe
>> allow
>> > three attempts before revoking the CCIE number.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 4. *Go back to the days that the topology and the questions were
>> given to
>> us
>> > on paper*. I do not buy the fact that this saves trees and etc
>> etc,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 5. *Give CCIEs something like a License that has the candidates
>> picture*,
>> i
>> > see a lot of people faking a lot of people, believe it or not in
>> few
>> > occasions i was teaching two different classes in two different
>> parts of
>> the
>> > world all at the same time, and one of us was horrible.
>> >
>> >
>> > 6. *I like to see the "two day" lab back again*. Could you
>> > imagine..........8 hours of configuration on day one, and another
>> 8 hours
>> of
>> > TS on day two; the TS should NOT have anything to do with what you
>> > configured on day one. Increase the price of the test to
>> accommodate this
>> > change. Wouldn t that be exciting?
>> >
>> > Maybe i am going crazy, i have been writing labs all day........i
>> am
>> going
>> > to sleep.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Shahid Ansari
>> <shahid1357_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> IMHO ,
>> >>
>> >> CCIE should have ability to understand new technologies .In
>> practical
>> world
>> >> ,dont be so product specific(Cisco product) but keep yourself
>> open for
>> all
>> >> IP products .
>> >> If your foundation is strong you are well enough to understand
>> new terms
>> .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> CCIE exams solution is not best practice but it is test for
>> engineers ;)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Shahid Ansari
>> >> Solution Architect
>> >> CCIE#20017
>> >> Kuwait
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Aaron Riemer
>> <ariemer_at_amnet.net.au>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Asif,
>> >>>
>> >>> Cisco need to cater for the broader population.
>> >>>
>> >>> How many organisations do you think run Nexus7k's and VSS? A lot
>> of
>> >>> engineers would not be as lucky as you to gain real world
>> experience in
>> >>> this
>> >>> area.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Aaron.
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> >>> Asif
>> >>> Gul Khan
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 2:54 PM
>> >>> To: Cisco certification
>> >>> Subject: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0
>> >>>
>> >>> All,
>> >>>
>> >>> Was working on some VSS stuff and implementation details and the
>> question
>> >>> came to my mind that why havent Cisco emphasized on VSS in CCIE
>> 4.0?
>> >> Still
>> >>> major switching portion is STP and HSRP based. Any particular
>> reason
>> for
>> >>> that? I believe CCIE Lab was meant to be real world test for
>> engineers
>> >> and
>> >>> I
>> >>> would be very shocked if I see an CCIE engineer who does not
>> have
>> enough
>> >>> knowledge on such an important technology. Is it focused in
>> CCDE?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Asif Khan
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> >>> Subscription information may be found at:
>> >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> _______________________________________________________________________
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *Narbik Kocharians
>> > *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> > www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/> <
>> http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
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>
>
>
> --
> *Narbik Kocharians
> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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