RE: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0

Ram,

That's news to me, just checked out the 4500E Hardware and Software update
slides and didn't see any mention of VSS in the roadmap. Is this one of those
things like the arrival of the Sup2T, with an ever sliding release date? I
would love to see VSS in the 4500 line, but I think it may cannibalize part of
the 6500 BU. They're already losing the data center core role and being
turned into large access and services switch. As it stands right now, the
Sup7E has faster line cards than the 6500, 48 ports non-blocking, at least
until the 80G Sup2t hits the market.

I agree that the VSS addition to the 4500 line will make it even more popular,
but still will be hardly practical for study:

The lowest end borderless bundle that will get you access to VSS, IMO would be
WS-C4510RE-S7+96V+, which is nice but not really cheap. A single Sup7E is
more than half that price outright.

Cheapest I can get into a 6500 VSS kit that see is the 6504E with no line
cards and a single chassis, around the same as the 4510E bundle. Still sounds
like a steep entry point for anything other than rented rack time.

-ryan

From: Ram Hispren Shummoogum [mailto:hispren_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 9:36 AM
To: Ryan West
Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Shahid Ansari; Aaron Riemer; Asif Gul Khan; Cisco
certification
Subject: Re: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0

Keep in mind that VSS is in the roadmap for 4500 platform, ergo, will be very
popular.
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On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Ryan West
<rwest_at_zyedge.com<mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>> wrote:

I'm not following how having 6500's would make the entry point for the
students who sing your praises any easier. Were you not just complaining
about the introduction of XR onto the SP? There is no arguing that the
install base of the 6500 is a staggering number, but VSS 1440 isn't exactly
challenging to get stood up and is pretty solid if you understand how to
balance your channel members and keep traffic off the VSL.

I hope they reserve these technologies for the next track that I'm really
anticipating, Data Center.

I'd rather see strict entry points for taking the exam, like verifiable work
experience and a vouching system. Maybe tests should change more often as
well, I've heard this is still an issue, even in 4.0. Retesting every 5 years
sounds awesome, minus the whole 2 months of being basically useless at work
and ignoring your entire family again, sounds convenient for someone teaching
it all the time.

Sent from handheld

On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:25 AM, "Narbik Kocharians"
<narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>> wrote:

> I do agree with Shahid, but if it was up to me, the following is what I
> would recommend:
>
>
>
>
>
> 1. *The written exam should match the R&S blueprint*; it should be the
> theory part of the lab. I believe that this will keep every one honest and
> knowledgeable; because a CCIE candidate will know that this section is the
> most important aspect of this cert; besides the fact that they have to keep
> on referring back to that information when they have difficulty
> understanding a given configuration.
>
>
>
> 2. *Remove some of the 3560 switches, and add 6500s*, this can be either 2
> of each, or any combination. This can somewhat emulate the real world.
There
> are many differences between the two boxes. No matter where you go these
> days, you will see these boxes. Could you imagine how well you would know
> what s used out there? Your confidence level will be different.
>
> A CCNP test should have 4 3560s.
>
>
>
> 3. *Remove the written test for re-certification*, and instead add a
> mandatory lab every 5 years, this will keep us all at our BEST. Maybe allow
> three attempts before revoking the CCIE number.
>
>
>
> 4. *Go back to the days that the topology and the questions were given to
us
> on paper*. I do not buy the fact that this saves trees and etc etc,
>
>
>
> 5. *Give CCIEs something like a License that has the candidates picture*, i
> see a lot of people faking a lot of people, believe it or not in few
> occasions i was teaching two different classes in two different parts of
the
> world all at the same time, and one of us was horrible.
>
>
> 6. *I like to see the "two day" lab back again*. Could you
> imagine..........8 hours of configuration on day one, and another 8 hours
of
> TS on day two; the TS should NOT have anything to do with what you
> configured on day one. Increase the price of the test to accommodate this
> change. Wouldn t that be exciting?
>
> Maybe i am going crazy, i have been writing labs all day........i am going
> to sleep.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Shahid Ansari
<shahid1357_at_gmail.com<mailto:shahid1357_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> IMHO ,
>>
>> CCIE should have ability to understand new technologies .In practical
world
>> ,dont be so product specific(Cisco product) but keep yourself open for all
>> IP products .
>> If your foundation is strong you are well enough to understand new terms .
>>
>>
>> CCIE exams solution is not best practice but it is test for engineers ;)
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> Shahid Ansari
>> Solution Architect
>> CCIE#20017
>> Kuwait
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Aaron Riemer
<ariemer_at_amnet.net.au<mailto:ariemer_at_amnet.net.au>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Asif,
>>>
>>> Cisco need to cater for the broader population.
>>>
>>> How many organisations do you think run Nexus7k's and VSS? A lot of
>>> engineers would not be as lucky as you to gain real world experience in
>>> this
>>> area.
>>>
>>> -Aaron.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
[mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On Behalf Of
>>> Asif
>>> Gul Khan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 2:54 PM
>>> To: Cisco certification
>>> Subject: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Was working on some VSS stuff and implementation details and the question
>>> came to my mind that why havent Cisco emphasized on VSS in CCIE 4.0?
>> Still
>>> major switching portion is STP and HSRP based. Any particular reason for
>>> that? I believe CCIE Lab was meant to be real world test for engineers
>> and
>>> I
>>> would be very shocked if I see an CCIE engineer who does not have enough
>>> knowledge on such an important technology. Is it focused in CCDE?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Asif Khan
>>>
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