RE: My most excellent Bootcamp experience this week

Just got to reading this thread. You are all nuts!

:)

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Petr Lapukhov
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:29 PM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: My most excellent Bootcamp experience this week

Scott,

In fact, you are absolutely right here ;) I was hoping my little trick would go unnoticed, but you got me here. What I've done is replaced classic vector norm (intuitive definition of the vector length) with "interval" as its being defined and used in special theory of relativity (Minkowski space).
The "interval" is defined as bilinear form and could be negative, though the actual "length" is imaginary in this case.

In the end, what I want to point out is that deep connection that we discovered between transfinite numbers, entropy, spanning-tree protocol and Minkoski space :D

Petr

2010/11/23 Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com>

> Now, I certainly don't want to get into a mathematical debate with you
> because I know I would lose, and most likely not even understand why....
>
> BUT.... If you measure something in a negative sense, wouldn't it
> still have a "length" that is an absolute value even if the placement
> of it is in the negative?
>
> For example, a length of -5 to -1 is "longer" than from 1 to 3.
>
> Shifting planes, however doesn't change a value of length (difference
> between two numbers). But anyway, I haven't had anywhere near enough
> alcohol to keep up much beyond that. ;)
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> On 11/23/10 8:37 PM, Petr Lapukhov wrote:
> > Nice try, but I have a completely imaginary answer in my head :)
> > Since it
> is
> > imaginary, its vector norm (length) is below zero. Thus, it wins as
> having
> > the shortest (negative) length!
> >
> > Petr
> >
> > 2010/11/23 Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
> >
> >> I would like to point out that up to this point there was no
> >> response from IPexpert. We win on technicality.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
> >> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:16, Petr Lapukhov
> >> <petr_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >>> Yes sir I did, the doctor has been then hospitalized to a mental
> >>> clinic
> >> :)
> >>> 2010/11/23 Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>> Petr,
> >>>>
> >>>> How long have you had this? Have you seen a doctor?
> >>>>
> >>>> hahahaha Just kidding...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Petr Lapukhov <
> >>>> petr_at_internetworkexpert.com
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> That's just normal Russian talk. No wonder people avoid us :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/11/23 Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you guys talk ASCIIIII or EBCDIC?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Adel Abouchaev <
> >>>> adel_at_netmasterclass.net
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Petr,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> B B B B First, accept my congratulations on achieving
> >>>>>>> entropy
> >> level 0
> >>>> in
> >>>>>>> your data :) Thus said, however, the volume of information in
> >>>>>>> it
> >> has
> >>>>>>> diminished to the same value too.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> B B B B Here is the better one: [0-1]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> B B B B Cardinal number of this set is above aleph-one,
> >>>>>>> hence
> >> you can
> >>>>>> always
> >>>>>>> find an irrational number on this interval that, converted to
> >>>>>>> hex,
> >>>> will
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> the answer to all the question asked here :) So really, the
> >>>>>>> answer
> >> to
> >>>>>> all
> >>>>>>> questions is on the tip of the needle, always been and will
> >>>>>>> always
> >> be.
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Adel Abouchaev, CCIE# 12037, CISSP, MCSE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Technical Support Engineer
> >>>>>>> Netmasterclass LLC, Cisco Learning Partner
> >>>>>>> RFC821: adel_at_netmasterclass.net
> >>>>>>> E.164: +18886772669
> >>>>>>> HTTP: www.netmasterclass.net
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >> Behalf
> >>>> Of
> >>>>>>> Petr
> >>>>>>> Lapukhov
> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:46 AM
> >>>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
> >>>>>>> Cc: Scott Morris; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: My most excellent Bootcamp experience this week
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yeah, too bad guys! I did not answer the question, and
> >>>>>>> therefore my
> >>>>>> answer
> >>>>>>> zero-length was the shortest! :D Smells like Zen, but hey, it
> >>>>>>> does
> >> not
> >>>>>>> break
> >>>>>>> the rules!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Petr
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2010/11/23 Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Shoot i guess i failed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Scott Morris
> >>>>>>>> <swm_at_emanon.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> hehehehe... B Great short answer, but there were two parts
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>> question! B BBBBZZZZZTTTTT. B ;)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 11/23/10 11:19 AM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> STP is a protocol.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 7:49 AM, --Hammer-- <
> >> bhmccie_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> You aren't INE.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You aren't IPE.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You aren't 100% in bed with Narbik. (No offense Narbik)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You are a ghost. An Apparition that floats in and out of
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>> forums
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>>>>> randomly shows up to teach overseas. B Every once in a
> >>>>>>>>>>> while
> >>>> your
> >>>>>>>>> physical
> >>>>>>>>>>> form shows up at Networkers. Or Live. Or whatever they
> >>>>>>>>>>> call
> >> it
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>> year.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --Hammer
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "I was a normal American nerd."
> >>>>>>>>>>> -Jack Herer
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm_at_emanon.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:38 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: --Hammer--
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: 'Radioactive Frog'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com B Subject:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Re: My most excellent Bootcamp experience this
> >> week
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> HA! B Why am I in purgatory? B :)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> >> Provider)
> >>>>>> #4713,
> >>>>>>>>>>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> swm_at_emanon.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Power corrupts.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/10 9:48 AM, --Hammer-- wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Scott,
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B B B You are in purgatory. Your answer, while
> >>>>>>>>>>> probably
> >> the
> >>>>>>> shortest,
> >>>>>>>>>>> cannot qualify. :)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --Hammer
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "I was a normal American nerd."
> >>>>>>>>>>> -Jack Herer
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com]
> >> On
> >>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>>>> Of
> >>>>>>>>>>> Scott Morris
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 8:07 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: Radioactive Frog
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: My most excellent Bootcamp experience this
> >>>>>>>>>>> week
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B Prevents loops. B And it's on by default.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ;)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> (Can't get much shorter than that!)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> >> Provider)
> >>>>>> #4713,
> >>>>>>>>>>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> swm_at_emanon.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Power corrupts.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/10 7:09 AM, Radioactive Frog wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B Which vendor is the best ?
> >>>>>>>>>>> B You can find it out easily with a quick test by asking a
> >>>>>> question
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> B how different vendor explain it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B So here is the question to all vendor/instructors:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B Question: What is spanning tree and how do we configure
> >> this
> >>>>>>> feature
> >>>>>>>>>>> B on Cisco 3560 switch.
> >>>>>>>>>>> B Explain this from the ccie lab prospectus only.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B A vendor who comes up with the "shortest"
> >> answer/explanation
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>> B the best :)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B You can trust their work book.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B so hurry up!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:40 AM, Robert Hosford B
> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rhosford_at_certifiednets.com> <
> >>>> rhosford_at_certifiednets.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> B wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B I used the NetMaster program myself. Val hurt my brain.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B -----Original Message----- B B From:
> >>>>>>>>>>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:
> >> nobody_at_groupstudy.com]
> >>>> On
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B Behalf Of Scott Morris B B Sent: Saturday, November
> >>>>>>>>>>> 20, 2010 11:44 PM B B To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com B B
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: My most excellent Bootcamp experience this
> >> week
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B Yeah, I didn't use 'em either.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B ;)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/
> >>>>>>>>>>> (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> >>>>>> Provider)
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B #4713,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B swm_at_emanon.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B Knowledge is power.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B Power corrupts.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B On 11/20/10 12:20 PM, CCIE KID wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B > Marko u r a one unique guy who dont need any kind
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>> training
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B or any
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B > kind of workbooks U r the ultimate best in teaching
> >> ccie
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B Hemanth
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B > better u watch ur words There are guys in the
> >> universe who
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B didnt use
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B > INE and passed CCIE :) :) B B > B B > On Sat, Nov
> >>>>>>>>>>> 20, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Marko Milivojevic B
> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:markom_at_ipexpert.com> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B >
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B >>> There is no one in this universe who has B
> >>>>>>>>>>> appeared
> >> for
> >>>>>> the B
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B CCIE
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B >>> Lab
> >>>>>>>>>>> B B >> without
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