Re: ICMP Query!!!

that's fine..
i'll stick to what the cisco doc states and others can stick to what they
believe is correct...agree to disagree.

another item to be added to the list where everyone won't agree due to
various reasons.

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Tyson Scott
<tyson.scott_at_advtechracks.com>wrote:

> As I said ICMP unreachables will go to the CEF exception sub interface
>
> Regards,
>
> Tyson Scott
> CCIE # 13513 (R&S, Security, SP)
>
> Managing Partner/Technical Instructor - IPexpert Inc.
> tscott_at_ipexpert.com
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>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "ron wilkerson" <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 3:30 pm
>
> Subject: ICMP Query!!!
> To: "Tyson Scott" <tyson.scott_at_advtechracks.com>
> Cc: "negron.paul_at_gmail.com" <negron.paul_at_gmail.com>, "tron_at_huapi.ba.ar" <
> tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>, "eliteccie_at_gmail.com" <eliteccie_at_gmail.com>, "
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
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> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6586/ps6642/prod_white_paper0900aecd805ffde8.html
>
> read the 4th paragraph.
>
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Tyson Scott <tyson.scott_at_advtechracks.com
> > wrote:
>
>> ICMP is not control plane traffic. ICMP unreachables go to the CEF
>> exception for example. Consider the control plane as protocols that
>> glue the network together. ICMP traffic to the router go to the host
>> control plane because of being directed to the device thus it must
>> handle it. ICMP is data traffic that may be used for management
>> purposes
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tyson Scott
>> CCIE # 13513 (R&amp;S, Security, SP)
>> Managing Partner/Technical Instructor - IPexpert Inc.
>> tscott_at_ipexpert.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Paul Negron" <negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 2:10 pm
>> Subject: ICMP Query!!!
>> To: "ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com" <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, "Carlos G
>> Mendioroz" <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>
>> Cc: "CCIE KID" <eliteccie_at_gmail.com>, "Cisco certification"
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>
>>
>> Very Interesting Response.
>>
>> I guess I primarily viewed ICMP as testing the Control Plane/ Data Plane
>> with the Majority of ICMP Query types:
>>
>> * 0 = Echo Reply (3ping response2)
>> * 8 = Echo Request (3ping query2)
>> * 9 = Router Advertisement (RFC 1256)
>> * 10 = Router Solicitation (RFC 1256)
>> * 13 = Time Stamp Request
>> * 14 = Time Stamp Reply
>> * 17 = Address Mask Request
>> * 18 = Address Mask Reply
>>
>> I know my definition is a little Narrow but it does help differentiate
>> ICMP
>> from protocols like RSVP, PIM, EIGRP that strictly represent Control Plane
>> from a Routing Switching perspective.
>>
>> As far as the view that because ICMP uses the CPU being a CLEAR
>> definition,
>> this I would disagree with. What would Process Switching be then? Control
>> Plane or Data Plane activity?
>>
>> Carlos and Ron do make a good point to expand my Narrow definition though.
>> :-)
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
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>> Paul Negron
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>> Senior Technical Instructor
>> www.micronicstraining.com
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>>
>>
>> > From: <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>
>> > Reply-To: <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:58:17 +0000
>> > To: Paul Negron <negron.paul_at_gmail.com>, Carlos G Mendioroz <
>> tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>
>>
>> > Cc: CCIE KID <eliteccie_at_gmail.com>, Cisco certification
>> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > Subject: Re: ICMP Query!!!
>> >
>> > Agree with carlos...
>> > I've always thought of control plane as anything that the cpu has to
>> look at.
>> > Some icmp packets require the cpu, so I'd classify those icmp as control
>> plane
>> > packets.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Paul Negron <negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
>> > Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:39:10
>> > To: Carlos G Mendioroz<tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>
>> > Reply-To: Paul Negron <negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
>> > Cc: CCIE KID<eliteccie_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification<
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > Subject: Re: ICMP Query!!!
>> >
>> > It is true that they help convey information or make sure a path is
>> clear to
>> > send larger packets, but ICMP is not intended to help create state
>> within
>> > the control plane.
>> >
>> > Like I said....
>> >
>> >
>> > IGMP helps to create a path in which Traffic will use.
>> > ICMP uses the data plane that a control plane protocol created.
>> >
>> > Does anyone else have anything useful to contribute?
>> >
>> > I would always love to hear another explanantion that can be useful and
>> I'm
>> > sure CCIE KID would too, unless the "KID" already gets it.
>> >
>> >
>> > Narbik?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Paul Negron
>> > CCIE# 14856 CCSI# 22752
>> > Senior Technical Instructor
>> > www.micronicstraining.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: Carlos G Mendioroz <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>
>> >> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:39:56 -0300
>> >> To: Paul Negron <negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
>>
>> >> Cc: CCIE KID <eliteccie_at_gmail.com>, Cisco certification
>> >> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: ICMP Query!!!
>> >>
>> >> I would call ICMP redirect packets a control thing though.
>> >> And when using ICMP probes (echo request/reply) as part of a IP SLA
>> >> construct, they are a control thing too.
>> >> What about packet too big ?
>> >>
>> >> In fact, Internet Control Message Protocol sounds a lot to control :)
>> >>
>> >> -Carlos
>> >>
>> >> Paul Negron @ 10/11/2010 14:21 -0300 dixit:
>> >>> I apologize, I meant to state:
>> >>>
>> >>>> IGMP packets are used to create state on the Router that receives
>> them.
>> >>>> Since it is used to create state, it is a part of the Control Plane
>> >>>> process.
>> >>>> It joins so that trees can be built, Although it is PIM that builds
>> them.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ICMP is generating traffic and is not associated with building
>> ANYTHING. It
>> >>>> is considered Data Plane traffic. It uses paths that have already
>> been
>> >>>> setup
>> >>>> by a Control Plane Protocol, like OSPF or EIGRP or PIM for that
>> matter.
>> >>>
>> >>> I accidentally stated ICMP twice.
>> >>>
>> >>> Paul
>> >>
>> >> --
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