Re: NO MAIL ON Group study

It must have been tricky, two-days-long lab exam with cabling and stuff.
Would be great to hear that from a person who passed CCIE in early 200x

>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Shaughn Smith <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> No one is throwing punches. We are just giving you our opinions.
>>
>> CCIE # 23962 (SP)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 4
>>
>> On 27 Oct 2010, at 9:28 AM, Gaurav Thukral <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for DDoS attack
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Gaurav
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Gaurav Thukral <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am Waiting for more punches.? Will left this mailer soon.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Gaurav
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> And.. do not demean the efforts put in by Cisco employee to obtain
>> their
>> >>> CCIE... The effort required is still enormous...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Just to add on the contrary it is has far more inexpensive to obtain
>> a
>> >>>> CCIE. Dynamips for sure helps people who want to get their R/S or
>> SP... I
>> >>>> have seen people being able to do a significant portion of the
>> >>>> Voice/Security labs on emulators too...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You do not always have to think about getting a workbook, make your
>> own
>> >>>> topologies. Anthony did some really good stuff for the SP folks...
>> There is
>> >>>> so much more material available these days. It all boils down to how
>> much
>> >>>> effort you are willing to put in... Spending 40K on training is not
>> going to
>> >>>> get you a CCIE unless you put in the effort.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Groupstudy in my opinion has been the ultimate resource with all so
>> many
>> >>>> good people helping here... So make use of it... You won't be able to
>> afford
>> >>>> their consulting fees anyway.... and here they spend their time
>> answering
>> >>>> and encouraging you... all at no cost...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Stop worrying about Cisco... Worry about yourself...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Hoogen
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
>> narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Guys,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In some countries the promotion after getting your CCIE is NOT 5K,
>> in
>> >>>>> some
>> >>>>> places the salary is NOT far from 5- 10K per year. But you know what
>> i
>> >>>>> know
>> >>>>> people that live in some of these countries and they always find a
>> way
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> become VERY successful.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> But is it expensive? YES. No doubt.
>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>> >>>>> rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> No one is trying to fight you on this. We are just trying to help.
>> >>>>> Fact
>> >>>>>> is, people who really want to do this will find a way no matter the
>> >>>>> cost
>> >>>>>> like they have in the past.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -R
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> *From:* Gaurav Thukral [mailto:pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com]
>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:26 AM
>> >>>>>> *To:* Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr)
>> >>>>>> *Cc:* Narbik Kocharians; Group study
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Guys
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> i do not wanna fight guys . The point I am trying to make is that
>> it
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>>> expensive now nothing more than that.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>> Gaurav
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>> >>>>>> rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I spent around $5k last year on my own training, lab attempt, lunch
>> in
>> >>>>>> San Jose, etc..My earnings have not gone anywhere.(obviously
>> right!) I
>> >>>>>> spent over $40k on a Bachelor's degree. Since I have obtained my
>> BD,
>> >>>>> my
>> >>>>>> earnings have kept up w/inflation, that is about it. Not sure that
>> the
>> >>>>>> degree has had anything to do with that since my degree is not
>> related
>> >>>>>> to what I do. The point I am trying to make is that it is an
>> >>>>> investment,
>> >>>>>> but the ability to recover the investment is much shorter than my
>> >>>>>> student loans will be. I would bet CCIE investment will pay
>> dividends
>> >>>>>> that are much more lucrative and longer-lasting if you stay in IT.
>> I
>> >>>>>> think Narbik has a good point and I believe most folks whom have
>> spent
>> >>>>>> their own money would too. You have to pay to play to some extent.
>> >>>>> Maybe
>> >>>>>> look @ CCIE vs. CCA for cost justification if that would help :)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -R
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> >>>>> Of
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:09 AM
>> >>>>>> To: Gaurav Thukral
>> >>>>>> Cc: Group study
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Well, it depends on your approach, the process should NOT cost you
>> >>>>> more
>> >>>>>> than
>> >>>>>> 5400 dollars, and that is with 2 tries. and you typically get that
>> >>>>> back
>> >>>>>> within the first year or two and then some (In MOST of the cases).
>> So
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>>> it
>> >>>>>> expensive? YES, is it worth it? Heck yeh.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>> >>>>>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I agree Narbik. It is very expensive. Everybody can not afford it
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>> is true.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>> Gaurav
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Narbik Kocharians
>> >>>>>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately the tracks or certificates that are worth focusing
>> on
>> >>>>>> are
>> >>>>>>>> the expensive ones. But one way to look at it is the fact that
>> you
>> >>>>> do
>> >>>>>> make
>> >>>>>>>> more money, and it's no longer a win win situation, it's a win
>> win
>> >>>>>> win
>> >>>>>>>> situations for all three parties (You, Your firm and Cisco).
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>> >>>>>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Doing a CCIE with your OWN money or if u r employer will pay for
>> >>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>>> ....difference a lot
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, GAURAV MADAN <
>> >>>>>>>>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Again .. its the perspective how you look at it ..
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> If by *normal person* you mean someone who has not previously
>> >>>>>> worked
>> >>>>>>>>>> on these platforms and he/she want to do this kind of
>> >>>>>> ceritfication ?
>> >>>>>>>>>> If thats the case ... I will not second the idea ... simply
>> >>>>>> because
>> >>>>>>>>>> you will not be advocate the solutions / real life deployments
>> >>>>>> using
>> >>>>>>>>>> these products .
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Gaurav Madan
>> >>>>>>>>>> CCIE # 23863
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Gaurav Thukral
>> >>>>>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have no problem with hardware / architecture . I worked in
>> >>>>>> CISCO as
>> >>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>> NCE
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and also worked on a very large networks. Logic behind the
>> >>>>> mail
>> >>>>>> was
>> >>>>>>>>> for a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> normal person it is tough to afford CCIE SP & IOS-XR will not
>> >>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>> easily
>> >>>>>>>>>>> available.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Gaurav Thukral <
>> >>>>>>>>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now it will become very costly dear. .......If u r a Cisco
>> >>>>>> Employee
>> >>>>>>>>> then
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it is ok for you. Becoz u have free 3 attempts & 5 with
>> >>>>> Manager
>> >>>>>>>>>> approval.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For a normal person it is very tough to afford. My thoughts
>> >>>>>> are
>> >>>>>>>>> clear
>> >>>>>>>>>> about
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34 PM, GAURAV MADAN <
>> >>>>>>>>>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav ,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bold statement and a statement at which most will
>> >>>>>> laugh
>> >>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff. people have diff. views of CCIE as a certification .
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But when Cisco say that you are a CCIE .. that means you are
>> >>>>>> expert
>> >>>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> technology as well as product and you can handle related
>> >>>>> stuff
>> >>>>>> . So
>> >>>>>>>>> if
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you say that you are leaving race just because of new
>> >>>>> hardware
>> >>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>> lab
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> .. the fact is you shd first get the feel of hardware /
>> >>>>>>>>> architecture
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc before you jump on CCIE lab . Just think why Cisco is
>> >>>>>>>>> introducing
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> new hardware in lab .. does Cisco has some personal rivalry
>> >>>>>> with
>> >>>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ?? No .. that's because Cisco see a market going in that
>> >>>>>> direction
>> >>>>>>>>> ..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So better clear you view abt CCIE :)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav Madan
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE # 23863
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Gaurav Thukral <
>> >>>>>>>>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think people stopped studying CISCO . There are no mails
>> >>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> groupstudy or
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they solved all the troubleshooting tickets?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen the new CCIE SP blueprint. I think very few
>> >>>>>> people
>> >>>>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>>> go
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. CISCO will not be able to generate so much revenue
>> >>>>> from
>> >>>>>> CCIE
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certifications further.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaurav
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>> >>>>>>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> >>>>>>
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