Re: NO MAIL ON Group study

Guys,

In some countries the promotion after getting your CCIE is NOT 5K, in some
places the salary is NOT far from 5- 10K per year. But you know what i know
people that live in some of these countries and they always find a way and
become VERY successful.

But is it expensive? YES. No doubt.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:

> No one is trying to fight you on this. We are just trying to help. Fact
> is, people who really want to do this will find a way no matter the cost
> like they have in the past.
>
>
>
> -R
>
>
>
> *From:* Gaurav Thukral [mailto:pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:26 AM
> *To:* Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr)
> *Cc:* Narbik Kocharians; Group study
>
> *Subject:* Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>
>
>
> Guys
>
> i do not wanna fight guys . The point I am trying to make is that it is
> expensive now nothing more than that.
>
> Regards,
> Gaurav
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
> rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>
> I spent around $5k last year on my own training, lab attempt, lunch in
> San Jose, etc..My earnings have not gone anywhere.(obviously right!) I
> spent over $40k on a Bachelor's degree. Since I have obtained my BD, my
> earnings have kept up w/inflation, that is about it. Not sure that the
> degree has had anything to do with that since my degree is not related
> to what I do. The point I am trying to make is that it is an investment,
> but the ability to recover the investment is much shorter than my
> student loans will be. I would bet CCIE investment will pay dividends
> that are much more lucrative and longer-lasting if you stay in IT. I
> think Narbik has a good point and I believe most folks whom have spent
> their own money would too. You have to pay to play to some extent. Maybe
> look @ CCIE vs. CCA for cost justification if that would help :)
>
> -R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:09 AM
> To: Gaurav Thukral
> Cc: Group study
> Subject: Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>
> Well, it depends on your approach, the process should NOT cost you more
> than
> 5400 dollars, and that is with 2 tries. and you typically get that back
> within the first year or two and then some (In MOST of the cases). So is
> it
> expensive? YES, is it worth it? Heck yeh.
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Gaurav Thukral
> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I agree Narbik. It is very expensive. Everybody can not afford it and
> that
> > is true.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gaurav
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Narbik Kocharians
> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Unfortunately the tracks or certificates that are worth focusing on
> are
> >> the expensive ones. But one way to look at it is the fact that you do
> make
> >> more money, and it's no longer a win win situation, it's a win win
> win
> >> situations for all three parties (You, Your firm and Cisco).
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Gaurav Thukral
> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Doing a CCIE with your OWN money or if u r employer will pay for it
> >>> ....difference a lot
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Gaurav
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, GAURAV MADAN <
> >>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Again .. its the perspective how you look at it ..
> >>> >
> >>> > If by *normal person* you mean someone who has not previously
> worked
> >>> > on these platforms and he/she want to do this kind of
> ceritfication ?
> >>> > If thats the case ... I will not second the idea ... simply
> because
> >>> > you will not be advocate the solutions / real life deployments
> using
> >>> > these products .
> >>> >
> >>> > Gaurav Madan
> >>> > CCIE # 23863
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Gaurav Thukral
> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
> >>> >
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > > Hi
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I have no problem with hardware / architecture . I worked in
> CISCO as
> >>> a
> >>> > NCE
> >>> > > and also worked on a very large networks. Logic behind the mail
> was
> >>> for a
> >>> > > normal person it is tough to afford CCIE SP & IOS-XR will not be
> >>> easily
> >>> > > available.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Regards,
> >>> > > Gaurav
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Gaurav Thukral <
> >>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Hi
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Now it will become very costly dear. .......If u r a Cisco
> Employee
> >>> then
> >>> > >> it is ok for you. Becoz u have free 3 attempts & 5 with Manager
> >>> > approval.
> >>> > >> For a normal person it is very tough to afford. My thoughts
> are
> >>> clear
> >>> > about
> >>> > >> CCIE.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Regards,
> >>> > >> Gaurav
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34 PM, GAURAV MADAN <
> >>> > gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>
> >>> > >> wrote:
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> Gaurav ,
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> That's a bold statement and a statement at which most will
> laugh
> >>> and
> >>> > >>> ignore.
> >>> > >>> Diff. people have diff. views of CCIE as a certification .
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> But when Cisco say that you are a CCIE .. that means you are
> expert
> >>> in
> >>> > >>> technology as well as product and you can handle related stuff
> . So
> >>> if
> >>> > >>> you say that you are leaving race just because of new hardware
> in
> >>> lab
> >>> > >>> .. the fact is you shd first get the feel of hardware /
> >>> architecture
> >>> > >>> etc before you jump on CCIE lab . Just think why Cisco is
> >>> introducing
> >>> > >>> new hardware in lab .. does Cisco has some personal rivalry
> with
> >>> you
> >>> > >>> ?? No .. that's because Cisco see a market going in that
> direction
> >>> ..
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> So better clear you view abt CCIE :)
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> Gaurav Madan
> >>> > >>> CCIE # 23863
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Gaurav Thukral <
> >>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
> >>> > >
> >>> > >>> wrote:
> >>> > >>> > Hi,
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > I think people stopped studying CISCO . There are no mails
> on
> >>> > >>> > groupstudy or
> >>> > >>> > they solved all the troubleshooting tickets?
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > I have seen the new CCIE SP blueprint. I think very few
> people
> >>> will
> >>> > go
> >>> > >>> > for
> >>> > >>> > it. CISCO will not be able to generate so much revenue from
> CCIE
> >>> > >>> > Certifications further.
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Regards,
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Gaurav
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> >
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