Re: TSHOOT and CCIE lab Troubleshooting

Just to add to what Garry stated, I've been teaching/consulting for a long
time, and believe it or not base knowledge is where most of the CCIE
students lack. Just to give you an example of what i am talking about:

Let's say we have three routers sharing an Ethernet segment, using the
following IP addressing:

R1's F0/0 - 10.1.1.1 /24, R2's F0/0 - 10.1.1.2 /24, and R3's F0/0 - 10.1.1.3
/24 and all three routers are in VLAN 100.
These routers are running RIPv2 (comparatively a simple Routing protocol).
R2 and R3 are injecting a default route using "default-information
originate"

This simple task wants R1 to see two different default routes, one coming
from R2 and the second one coming from R3.
If you lab this very simple scenario, you will quickly see that R1 ONLY gets
a single default route, the question is WHY?

A question like this should ONLY take a student, a totally ready student
less than 5 minutes to resolve, but since the basic knowledge is lacking or
it's NOT up to par, it may take up to 15 minutes. What if the task states
that you should resolve this in three or four different ways? What are those
three or four different ways, the problem is that SOME won't even recognise
the problem, whereas, others will continually ping and do a "Show run"
command.

Let's see how long this simple scenario takes you to resolve. Unicast me the
solution, i need three to four different ways to resolve this, two of the
four should be done in layer 2, and the other 2 in layer 3. Hey......as far
as the difficulty level, i rank this 1 or 2 out of 10.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:06 PM, garry baker <baker.garry_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> for sure will not hurt...
>
> but you can see both the TSHOOT examples and the RS lab examples online and
> they are not the same, interface and depth of questions, or number of
> routers involved in the questions, maybe not just sheer depth of the
> question and what the answer would be...
>
> but it will not hurt cause the stuff you need to pass the TSHOOT you will
> need for RS...
>
>
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> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
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> > It can NOT hurt.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Steven Blasiol <
> steven.blasiol_at_gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Experts,
> > >
> > > Have any of you taken the CCNP TSHOOT test? My understanding is that
> > this
> > > test is presented in Ticket format and I am wondering if it might be
> > worth
> > > it to go take that test to see how the CCIE Troubleshooting section is
> > > going
> > > to be as far as format and expectations. I know the questions will be
> > > harder on the CCIE but it might be good practice.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Steven
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