RE: New CCIE Service Provider Blueprint

Flourishing? That really depends on the demand for the track and how
much $$ it will cost per rack. Kind of like the CCIE Wireless and the
CCIE storage. There's not a whole lot of options out there for them
because the equipment is so expensive and the CCIE tract itself isn't as
popular.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Alexei Monastyrnyi
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:57 AM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: Marko Milivojevic; Jeffrey Pazahanick; groupstudy
Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_SP] New CCIE Service Provider Blueprint

There will be rental labs flourishing for SP track. I don't think Cisco
cares much about personal labs etc. There wil be hardware refreshes for
RS and Security in the future, let along wireless and voice: they can't
stay the same forever. Dynamips has passed the peak of its glory and
this pendulum is swinging to an opposite direction (as it always does
once in a while).

So abandon the hope, get real, go rent. :-) Seriously, for many of us
who has families and kids, spare time for studies is a limited quantity.

6 years ago I was happy working after-hours, building my real lab from
left-overs and tuning Dynamips and PEMU on multi-cpu Linux servers which
were idling during night shifts.

Now I go rent say Security 3.0 POD, a 3-hr slot 3 times a week, 4 AUD
per hour, and have no concerns. :-)

Sorry for getting slightly OT, my point is, it is not that bad. It is a
lot of good in those HW refreshes, it keeps certification at the edge..

A.

On 10/21/2010 11:27 AM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> I am sure Cisco will come up with something or else this track is dead

> as far as i am concerned. Maybe they will provide racks for Cisco
> partners, who knows?
>
> If they want to be relevent, then, they should change the R&S track as
well.
> They should change the 3560s to two 6500s and some 3750s, i don't see
> them doing that at all. So the money factor comes in to play, but i am

> sure that Cisco will come up with something. I hope.....
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Marko
Milivojevic<markom_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
>
>> No surprises there. I think the equipment list is reasonable and
>> relevant for the Service Provider track. I'm glad Cisco went this
way.
>> This keeps the certification relevant in the market.
>>
>> It could have been worse. This is perfectly fine. In fact, I'm very
>> happy with this list.
>>
>> --
>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
>>
>> FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
>>
>> Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>> Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 21:28, Jeffrey Pazahanick<jeffpaz_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hardware is posted..
>>>
>>> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-10121
>>>
>>> Lab Equipment
>>>
>>> B B Cisco XR12000 Series Routers
>>>
>>>
>>> B B Cisco 7200/7600 Series equivalent Routers (Using Simulator)
>>>
>>>
>>> B B Cisco ME3400E Series Switches
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Software Versions
>>>
>>> B B XR12000 routers running IOS-XR Software Version 3.9.1
>>>
>>>
>>> B B 7200/7600 routers running IOS Software Version 12.2-33 SR
>>>
>>>
>>> B B ME3400E switches running IOS Software Version 12.2-54 SE
>> >
>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Gaurav
>>> Thukral<pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> I agree.That will be expensive. But do not worry, i am 100 % sure
>>>> that IPexpert Team will help us to attain that magic no. They will
>>>> start IOS XR rack rental soon& also Develop a material for new
Blueprint.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Gaurav
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Robert Hosford<
>> rhosford_at_certifiednets.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> How does an average Joe afford this? It seems to me a much more
>> expensive
>>>>> CCIE.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>>>> Behalf
>> Of
>>>>> Andrey Petrenko
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:47 PM
>>>>> To: Marko Milivojevic
>>>>> Cc: Gaurav Thukral; groupstudy; OSL Service Provider
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_SP] New CCIE Service Provider Blueprint
>>>>>
>>>>> so, how i can emulate Cisco Ios Xr?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/20, Marko Milivojevic<markom_at_ipexpert.com>:
>>>>>> I haven't heard of that one so far, but I suspect that may be
true.
>> If
>>>>>> they have it the same way they have IOU, then it's a distinct
>>>>>> possibility. I suppose we'll have to wait and see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>>>>>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>>>>>> Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:06, Gaurav
>>>>>> Thukral<pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Cisco also has a IOS XR Simulator they can also use that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Gaurav
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Marko Milivojevic
>>>>>>> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:30, Markus BC6ing
>>>>>>>> <markus.boeing_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ... then again, mix of XR and IOS in IOU is a possibility for
>> not
>>>>>>>>>> so much money.
>>>>>>>>> XR& IOU? I don't think they go together.
>>>>>>>> IOU supports talking to live systems. Therefore, one server
>>>>>>>> running multiple IOU instances can be connected to couple of XR

>>>>>>>> boxes to build very powerful and scalable lab.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I said, I don't believe XR itself can be virtualized in the
>>>>>>>> same way IOS can with IOU. Then again, I don't work for Cisco,
>>>>>>>> all this
>> I
>>>>>>>> heard from people who do :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 Senior Technical Instructor -
>>>>>>>> IPexpert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture
>>>>>>>>
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