RE: Failed - October 8.

We added a 3-Day IPv4/IPv6 MCAST Bootcamp based on student's struggles with both of these topic domains.

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From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Poplawski, James
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:37 PM
To: 'Marko Milivojevic'
Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Muzammil Malick; Oskar; --Hammer--; CCIE Group Study
Subject: RE: Failed - October 8.

Going through the material enough will have it warped into your head enough.

I would expect some vendors beef up their Frame Relay and IPv6 Multicast training as I could use some more in-depth practice with both.

Thanks,
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: Marko Milivojevic [mailto:markom_at_ipexpert.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:35 AM
To: Poplawski, James
Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Muzammil Malick; Oskar; --Hammer--; CCIE Group Study
Subject: Re: Failed - October 8.

HA! There you go! Wabbit spanning-tree :-).

So, anything else you need help remembering?

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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:20, Poplawski, James <jpoplawski_at_starkinvestments.com> wrote:
> 802.1w as in Rapid or Bugs Bunny fans wabbit!
>
> First attempt I freaked out, I said 802.1w, I'm 95% sure it's rapid, but I better double-check.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marko Milivojevic [mailto:markom_at_ipexpert.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:13 AM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Poplawski, James; Muzammil Malick; Oskar; --Hammer--; CCIE Group 
> Study
> Subject: Re: Failed - October 8.
>
> That's a constant. You just remember 802.1 and then add the letter "s"
> as in mSt, or "w" as in "Whatwasitagain"? ;-)
>
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> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:11, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> hahaha
>>
>> Don't forget that they both have 802 in them as well.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Marko Milivojevic 
>> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well... it's actually very easy to remember. MST (802.1s) *requires* 
>>> use of 802.1w. MST has "s" in it, the other one doesn't ;-)
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:50, Poplawski, James 
>>> <jpoplawski_at_starkinvestments.com> wrote:
>>> > Thanks for your advice.
>>> >
>>> > The other one is a great way, but when you hit RSTP (802.1w) 
>>> > versus MSTP (802.1s), you freak out and double-check.
>>> >
>>> > Using the DOCCD and browsing the WAN-Frame Relay section you're 
>>> > able to do a search (Ctrl+F) and search 1490.
>>> >
>>> > Hope this helps,
>>> > JB
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Muzammil Malick [mailto:malickmuz_at_gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:43 AM
>>> > To: Oskar
>>> > Cc: Marko Milivojevic; Poplawski, James; --Hammer--; CCIE Group 
>>> > Study
>>> > Subject: Re: Failed - October 8.
>>> >
>>> > James
>>> >
>>> > Going back to your original email. As someone who has been there 
>>> > and experienced the same issues as you, I would say that regarding 
>>> > small things such as RFC values and 802.xyz issues, its just one 
>>> > of those things that you just have to nail.
>>> >
>>> > For me this has always been a non issue because when i took the 
>>> > lab I had to do OEQs so I ended up learning all these things 
>>> > inside out anyways!! B So it doesn't hurt to learn them because in 
>>> > the past people were required to learn them.
>>> >
>>> > Also what I would say is that a lot of the stuff that Cisco throws 
>>> > in is along the lines of "Use this type of encapsulation e.g RFC 
>>> > 1490 they are really saying, don't use the Cisco method or do use 
>>> > the Cisco method. If you are having problems remembering all the 
>>> > details just remind yourself that you can either use "cisco" or "the other one"
>>> > Then later on when you have some spare time you can go back and 
>>> > check that you are using the right encapsulation.
>>> > Im not saying this is a strict rule you should follow, just if you 
>>> > are having problems remembering stuff.
>>> >
>>> > Its also great that you passed Troubleshooting because that will 
>>> > give you the confidence to nail TS in the future.
>>> >
>>> > Also the great thing is that you know where your problems lie. 
>>> > Some people come out bemused because they thought they had nailed 
>>> > it and dont have a clue where they went wrong. Take heart from 
>>> > your position and move on and nail it
>>> >
>>> > Good luck mate.
>>> >
>>> > On 20 October 2010 16:06, Oskar <xyz7412369_at_yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> >> Marko,
>>> >>
>>> >> I am not saying anything about IPE books. I use other vendor 
>>> >> materials but I prefer not to mention the name. My point is that 
>>> >> if I MUST know RFC #s to understand the question than I expect 
>>> >> the workbook to work that way too. My workbook will not help me 
>>> >> in that regard.
>>> >>
>>> >> Now, what are RFCs to know ?
>>> >> Is there such list so I can type it in mnemosyne ( 
>>> >> http://www.mnemosyne-proj.org/ ) and hammer it every morning ?
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----
>>> >> From: Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
>>> >> To: Oskar <xyz7412369_at_yahoo.ca>
>>> >> Cc: "Poplawski, James" <jpoplawski_at_starkinvestments.com>; 
>>> >> --Hammer-- <bhmccie_at_gmail.com>; CCIE Group Study 
>>> >> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> >> Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 10:01:00 AM
>>> >> Subject: Re: Failed - October 8.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:40, Oskar <xyz7412369_at_yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> >>> On a serious note, vendors who claim to cover 100% of 
>>> >>>requirements and challenge  students to find a topic not covered 
>>> >>>in the lab should read your post carefully.
>>> >>> Their silence is at least "interesting".
>>> >>
>>> >> Oskar,
>>> >>
>>> >> What makes you think that we were silent? James complained that 
>>> >> he didn't pass, it's not our position to publicly "rub it in", 
>>> >> but rather to reach out and assist him in getting ready for his 
>>> >> next attempt and the best way to best use the material available 
>>> >> to him. Since he only mentioned that he had IPexpert material, he 
>>> >> can tell you what IPexpert did as a response to his e-mail. He 
>>> >> didn't use our material for his preparation, but I hope he will 
>>> >> for his next go - it will probably help him a lot.
>>> >>
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>>> >> cover what we believe is relevant to make you good engineers and 
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>>> >> use that material, you need to read books, articles and RFCs 
>>> >> referenced from that material if you want to improve and be well 
>>> >> prepared for the lab. There is no replacement for YOUR work!
>>> >>
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