Re: Frame-relay again

Carlos,

If the LMIs are disabled (No keep) you won't talk to the Frame-relay switch,
if you are not communicating with the frame switch, it means that you are
not exchanging type 1 messages with Switch, nor sending Type 0 messages to
the switch and as a result of that you won't get the DLCI info from the
switch. So what do you mean the data plane will work? If the control plane
is NOT there, how could the data plane work? and what do you mean by
switching data plane services???? Can you be a little more clear?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Kambiz Agahian <aussiecert_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Just keep in mind that the FR world did exist before LMI and can exist
> after that... :)
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> Kambiz Agahian
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> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Carlos G Mendioroz <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>wrote:
>
>> You got me wrong there.
>> If you disable LMI, you loose pvc management (knowledge of what the
>> frame relay switch is doing and state of remote link) but you still
>> can have the switching (data plane) service.
>>
>> Problem is, if the remote end is paying attention to LMI, the remote DTE
>> will consider the link down and you might loose connectivity.
>>
>> -Carlos
>>
>> Narbik Kocharians @ 25/08/2010 19:07 -0300 dixit:
>> > I agree with Carlos, if you disable the LMIs, then you are saying i do
>> > not need the Frame-relay switching services, and connectivity is lost,
>> > unless you configure the routers back to back which is NOT what you are
>> > asking for. Paul's solution should do the trick, that's if i understand
>> > your scenario correctly.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Carlos G Mendioroz <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar
>> > <mailto:tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>> wrote:
>> >
>> > basically you are saying that i don't need the switch *management*
>> > any more.
>> >
>> > You still need its switching services :)
>> > -Carlos
>> > P.S.
>> > hahahaha
>> >
>> > Narbik Kocharians @ 25/8/2010 16:21 -0300 dixit:
>> >
>> > If you disable the LMIs, then, you are NOT going to get any DLCI
>> > info from
>> > the switch, basically you are saying that i don't need the
>> > switch any more.
>> > But if this is what you want to do then, enter "NO Keep" under
>> your
>> > frame-relay interface. You typically do this when you have a
>> > back to back
>> > frame-relay configuration without using the Frame-relay switch.
>> > Is this what you wanted?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:11 AM, selamat pagi <
>> ketimun_at_gmail.com
>> > <mailto:ketimun_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yep, disabled inverse arp and reloaded. This clears out the
>> > mappings in *sh
>> > fram map.*
>> > However, the all the other pvc are still in *sh frame pvc.*
>> >
>> > Carlos, how you disable LMI without changing config on
>> > FR-switch (keepalive
>> > is enable on FR-switch)
>> >
>> > cheers, keti
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Paul Negron
>> > <negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Did you try disabling Inverse arp and reloading the
>> router?
>> >
>> > Paul
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>> > From: selamat pagi <ketimun_at_gmail.com
>> > <mailto:ketimun_at_gmail.com>>
>> > Reply-To: selamat pagi <ketimun_at_gmail.com
>> > <mailto:ketimun_at_gmail.com>>
>> > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:07:44 +0200
>> > To: Cisco certification <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
>> > Subject: Frame-relay again
>> >
>> > I know this has been discussed several times here,
>> > but I still don't
>> > have/understand the solution.
>> > If there is none, I just will believe it and can
>> > continue with
>> >
>> > something
>> >
>> > more interesting :-)
>> >
>> > QUESTION:
>> > Is there a way to avoid that the FR-switch responds
>> > with all the DLCI
>> > configured ?
>> > So we will only see our configured PVC in the output
>> > of "sh
>> >
>> > frame-relay
>> >
>> > pvc"
>> >
>> > (assumed the FR-switch config cannot be changed ;-)
>> >
>> > I played around with keepalive and
>> > lmi-n391dte-values, however the
>> >
>> > type
>> >
>> > 0 I
>> >
>> > don't get rid of ..?
>> >
>> > thanks, keti
>> >
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