Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018

HA! Let that be the last word spoken with this nonsense!!!

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> From: Paul Dardinski <pauld_at_marshallcomm.com>
> Reply-To: Paul Dardinski <pauld_at_marshallcomm.com>
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:23:40 -0400
> To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>, Sorin Platon
> <sorin.platon_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>, Rohit Ghodke <rohit.nw_at_gmail.com>,
> Paul Cosgrove <paul.cosgrove.groupstudy_at_gmail.com>, Carlos G Mendioroz
> <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>, "Lloyd J. Rochon III" <lrochon_at_sbcglobal.net>, Garth
> Bryden <hacked.the.planet.on.28.8k.dialup_at_gmail.com>, Jack  Router
> <pan.router_at_gmail.com>, Adrian Brayton <abrayton_at_gmail.com>, Cisco
> certification <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Conversation: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
> Subject: RE: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
> 
> All I know is that this ruins my chances of global network domination as
> now all cities (and one would hope states) will have to follow some
> minimal baseline of common sense : )
> 
> Paul (RS/Sec #16842)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:47 PM
> To: Sorin Platon
> Cc: Travis Niedens; Rohit Ghodke; Paul Cosgrove; Carlos G Mendioroz;
> Lloyd J. Rochon III; Garth Bryden; Jack Router; Adrian Brayton; Cisco
> certification
> Subject: Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
> 
> I think prison is NOT the best choice for people like this guy, they
> should
> force him to climb on a telegraph pole in IRAQ wearing a T-shirt that
> tells
> everyone off. Keep him there for a day or two, he will change his
> attitude
> very fast.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Sorin Platon
> <sorin.platon_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> Yes I will lock everyone out of the network since I'm the god ...
>> 
>> I'm sorry for using such rough words for fragile and soft ears
>> 
>> He does need help, it will be provided by the state so he should take
>> that opportunity
>> 
>> Have you ever worked with Terry kind ?
>> The never share I'm the best type ?
>> 
>> Well I did and I'm NOT surprised by his dumb actions, at least he
>> hopefully got his lesson and people will learn from his mistake.
>> 
>> The city has its faults that have been invalidate by his actions.
>> 
>> So the manager is not qualified to have the passwords..but the mayor
> is....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/10/10, Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think you and terry have a lot in common based off your third
> sentance.
>>> Perhaps you should learn from his approach to life. Travis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sorin Platon
>>> Sent: 8/10/2010 7:38:48 PM
>>> To: Rohit Ghodke , Paul Cosgrove , Carlos G Mendioroz , Lloyd J.
> Rochon
>> III
>>> ,
>>> Garth Bryden , Jack Router , Adrian Brayton , Cisco certification
>>> Subject: Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
>>> That was very one sided
>>> 
>>> Nothing can excuse the fact that he didn't give the passwords when
> asked
>> to.
>>> 
>>> Classical asshole that thinks he's always right and everybody else
> has
>>> no knowledge
>>> 
>>> He should consider the opportunity and seek mental health
>>> 
>>> On 8/10/10, Rohit Ghodke <rohit.nw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.infoworld.com/print/37286
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/why-san-franciscos-network-a
> dmin-
>>> went-rogue-286?page=0,0
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Paul Cosgrove <
>>>> paul.cosgrove.groupstudy_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Carlos,
>>>>> 
>>>>> You may have been a little quick to assume my opinion there,
> despite my
>>>>> not
>>>>> expressing any.  Like yourself I have read about the case, and
> also
>>>>> discussed technical aspects of it with a person who knew the
> details
>>>>> (their
>>>>> company was called in to help).  My post was mainly about a
> general
>>>>> approach
>>>>> to security incidents, and the aspects related to this specific
> case
>> are
>>>>> consistent with what I was told.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've never met Terry Childs and keep an open mind about his
> personality
>>>>> and
>>>>> motivation since, like yourself, I only have second hand
> information
>>>>> about
>>>>> him.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Carlos G Mendioroz
> <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just courious, have you read about this before this post ?
>>>>>> I read an article a long time ago about him (IEEE spectrum, if
>>>>>> I remember it correctly), where he was characterized as an over
>> jealous
>>>>>> engineer that would not let non qualified people
>>>>>> access the net to keep it working.
>>>>>> There are always many sides to the stories, and I'm amazed at
> how
>> fast
>>>>>> people take positions (polarize ?) w/o much info...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Carlos
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul Cosgrove @ 8/08/2010 9:27 -0300 dixit:
>>>>>>> If you are maliciously locked out of devices, your response is
>> likely
>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> proportional to your level of paranoia about what else the
>>>>>>> perpetrator
>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> have done to complicate your life. My understanding is that
> the
>> saved
>>>>>> state
>>>>>>> of the devices was unclear, and there were unusual changes
> made
>>>>>>> beside
>>>>>>> modifying passwords which, whether it was intended or not,
> hampered
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> initial evaluation and added to concerns that there might be
> other
>>>>>>> surprises.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you believe there is a risk someone has turned your
> production
>>>>> network
>>>>>>> into a troubleshooting lab, but the system is operational and
> does
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> appear to be deteriorating, then you will probably start by
>> assessing
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> state using safe techniques. You will also have to formulate a
>>>>>>> recovery
>>>>>>> plan, including plenty of 'what if's?' to cater for unknowns.
>>>>>  Reloading
>>>>>>> devices could result in the config being cleared, so you would
> need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> determine what the impact to the network will be if that
> occurs and
>>>>>> prepare
>>>>>>> for that. Planning for the worst, you might include provisions
>> incase
>>>>>>> malicious changes have been made on the alternative paths, and
> they
>>>>> only
>>>>>>> become visible when traffic shifts (etc.). Was a high profile
>> event,
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> mistakes may also have been high profile.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> They were treading very carefully, which took time and money.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Lloyd J. Rochon III
>>>>>>> <lrochon_at_sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Agreed but I was just going off their urgency and lack of
> apparent
>>>>>>>> technical knowledge. I think they were in panic mode and
> spare no
>>>>>> expense
>>>>>>>> mode.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Lloyd Rochon
>>>>>>>> Lloyd J. Rochon III
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Garth Bryden
> <hacked.the.planet.on.28.8k.dialup_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:29:46
>>>>>>>> To: <lrochon_at_sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Jack Router<pan.router_at_gmail.com>; Adrian Brayton<
>>>>>> abrayton_at_gmail.com>;
>>>>>>>> Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Well I've read (but not had the courage to test) that if you
> press
>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>> break when you are booting with password recovery disabled
> you can
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> the device, just with factory defaults.... I guess if there
> were
>> no
>>>>>>>> passwords there woulda been no backup configurations which
> meant
>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>> nights
>>>>>>>> and lots of coffee restoring network services; whoopie
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Lloyd J. Rochon III
>>>>>>>> <lrochon_at_sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It also could have been the "no service password-recovery"
>> command
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>> key
>>>>>>>>> devices which caused costly replacements.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Lloyd Rochon - CCIE
>>>>>>>>> Lloyd J. Rochon III
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Garth Bryden
> <hacked.the.planet.on.28.8k.dialup_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:09:18
>>>>>>>>> To: Jack Router<pan.router_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Garth Bryden
>>>>>>>>> <hacked.the.planet.on.28.8k.dialup_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Adrian Brayton<abrayton_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification<
>>>>>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The $900,000 would be over the top but the costs they are
>>>>>>>>> calculating
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> assume won't be just for the password recovery process.
> Remember
>>>>> there
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> downtime involved to do this, they are most likely claiming
>>>>>> compensation
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> lost revenue etc.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jack Router <
>> pan.router_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> How can you spend $900000 in 12 days ? Its 75K a day !!!!
> Did
>> they
>>>>>> hire
>>>>>>>>> 31
>>>>>>>>>> CCIEs full time for 12 days, assuming 300$/hour wage ?
> Obviously
>>>>> Terry
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> right saying his boss was not qualified to have a password.
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, how do you get a job like Terry's boss ? What
>> qualifications
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> required ?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com]
> On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>> Adrian Brayton
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 7-Aug-10 13:59
>>>>>>>>>> To: Cisco certification
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> http://www.businessweek.com/idg/2010-08-07/network-admin-terry-childs-ge
> ts-4
>>>>>>>>>> -year-sentence.html
>>>>>>>>>> 
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