Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018

I do agrre with you sire although some individuals do not share the same
views ..So Narbik i heard that...

"
In short people have been saying you share some of the same "character"
traits as the ones you claim to despise in this individual - you think your
are always right, are not very savvy on dealing with people and some of the
things you have said regarding "in your book" are very concerning and
borderline mental.
"

Travis, some people may not agree with me which is fine i do not expect them
to do so, as for my character traits you do not know me, and i have 0
interest in knowing you, so please keep your judgment for you and yourself
only.

Last time i checked i didn't act like the second coming of god neither i was
sent to jail for not giving the passwords to anyone even if my superior
asked me to do so

Are you any kind of doctor or that was your "i know all about everything"
opinion telling me that i was borderline mental ?

I only expressed my opinion on the case and i never judged anyone but the
individual that was the center of discussion

Pls learn how to behave and brush up on your people skills it might help
your career more then a CCIE diploma can.

FIY it is called/spelled baguette

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> I think prison is NOT the best choice for people like this guy, they should
> force him to climb on a telegraph pole in IRAQ wearing a T-shirt that tells
> everyone off. Keep him there for a day or two, he will change his attitude
> very fast.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Sorin Platon <sorin.platon_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Yes I will lock everyone out of the network since I'm the god ...
>>
>> I'm sorry for using such rough words for fragile and soft ears
>>
>> He does need help, it will be provided by the state so he should take
>> that opportunity
>>
>> Have you ever worked with Terry kind ?
>> The never share I'm the best type ?
>>
>> Well I did and I'm NOT surprised by his dumb actions, at least he
>> hopefully got his lesson and people will learn from his mistake.
>>
>> The city has its faults that have been invalidate by his actions.
>>
>> So the manager is not qualified to have the passwords..but the mayor
>> is....
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/10/10, Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > I think you and terry have a lot in common based off your third
>> sentance.
>> > Perhaps you should learn from his approach to life. Travis
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Sorin Platon
>> > Sent: 8/10/2010 7:38:48 PM
>> > To: Rohit Ghodke , Paul Cosgrove , Carlos G Mendioroz , Lloyd J. Rochon
>> III
>> > ,
>> > Garth Bryden , Jack Router , Adrian Brayton , Cisco certification
>> > Subject: Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
>> > That was very one sided
>> >
>> > Nothing can excuse the fact that he didn't give the passwords when asked
>> to.
>> >
>> > Classical asshole that thinks he's always right and everybody else has
>> > no knowledge
>> >
>> > He should consider the opportunity and seek mental health
>> >
>> > On 8/10/10, Rohit Ghodke <rohit.nw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> http://www.infoworld.com/print/37286
>> >>
>> >
>> http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/why-san-franciscos-network-admin-
>> > went-rogue-286?page=0,0
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Paul Cosgrove <
>> >> paul.cosgrove.groupstudy_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Carlos,
>> >>>
>> >>> You may have been a little quick to assume my opinion there, despite
>> my
>> >>> not
>> >>> expressing any. Like yourself I have read about the case, and also
>> >>> discussed technical aspects of it with a person who knew the details
>> >>> (their
>> >>> company was called in to help). My post was mainly about a general
>> >>> approach
>> >>> to security incidents, and the aspects related to this specific case
>> are
>> >>> consistent with what I was told.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've never met Terry Childs and keep an open mind about his
>> personality
>> >>> and
>> >>> motivation since, like yourself, I only have second hand information
>> >>> about
>> >>> him.
>> >>>
>> >>> Paul
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Carlos G Mendioroz <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Just courious, have you read about this before this post ?
>> >>> > I read an article a long time ago about him (IEEE spectrum, if
>> >>> > I remember it correctly), where he was characterized as an over
>> jealous
>> >>> > engineer that would not let non qualified people
>> >>> > access the net to keep it working.
>> >>> > There are always many sides to the stories, and I'm amazed at how
>> fast
>> >>> > people take positions (polarize ?) w/o much info...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -Carlos
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Paul Cosgrove @ 8/08/2010 9:27 -0300 dixit:
>> >>> > > If you are maliciously locked out of devices, your response is
>> likely
>> >>> to
>> >>> > be
>> >>> > > proportional to your level of paranoia about what else the
>> >>> > > perpetrator
>> >>> > may
>> >>> > > have done to complicate your life. My understanding is that the
>> saved
>> >>> > state
>> >>> > > of the devices was unclear, and there were unusual changes made
>> >>> > > beside
>> >>> > > modifying passwords which, whether it was intended or not,
>> hampered
>> >>> > > the
>> >>> > > initial evaluation and added to concerns that there might be other
>> >>> > > surprises.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > If you believe there is a risk someone has turned your production
>> >>> network
>> >>> > > into a troubleshooting lab, but the system is operational and does
>> >>> > > not
>> >>> > > appear to be deteriorating, then you will probably start by
>> assessing
>> >>> the
>> >>> > > state using safe techniques. You will also have to formulate a
>> >>> > > recovery
>> >>> > > plan, including plenty of 'what if's?' to cater for unknowns.
>> >>> Reloading
>> >>> > > devices could result in the config being cleared, so you would
>> need
>> >>> > > to
>> >>> > > determine what the impact to the network will be if that occurs
>> and
>> >>> > prepare
>> >>> > > for that. Planning for the worst, you might include provisions
>> incase
>> >>> > > malicious changes have been made on the alternative paths, and
>> they
>> >>> only
>> >>> > > become visible when traffic shifts (etc.). Was a high profile
>> event,
>> >>> > > so
>> >>> > any
>> >>> > > mistakes may also have been high profile.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > They were treading very carefully, which took time and money.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Paul.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Lloyd J. Rochon III
>> >>> > > <lrochon_at_sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >> Agreed but I was just going off their urgency and lack of
>> apparent
>> >>> > >> technical knowledge. I think they were in panic mode and spare no
>> >>> > expense
>> >>> > >> mode.
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Regards,
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Lloyd Rochon
>> >>> > >> Lloyd J. Rochon III
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> > >> From: Garth Bryden <hacked.the.planet.on.28.8k.dialup_at_gmail.com>
>> >>> > >> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:29:46
>> >>> > >> To: <lrochon_at_sbcglobal.net>
>> >>> > >> Cc: Jack Router<pan.router_at_gmail.com>; Adrian Brayton<
>> >>> > abrayton_at_gmail.com>;
>> >>> > >> Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >>> > >> Subject: Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Well I've read (but not had the courage to test) that if you
>> press
>> >>> > control
>> >>> > >> break when you are booting with password recovery disabled you
>> can
>> >>> > >> get
>> >>> > into
>> >>> > >> the device, just with factory defaults.... I guess if there were
>> no
>> >>> > >> passwords there woulda been no backup configurations which meant
>> >>> > >> long
>> >>> > >> nights
>> >>> > >> and lots of coffee restoring network services; whoopie
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Lloyd J. Rochon III
>> >>> > >> <lrochon_at_sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>> It also could have been the "no service password-recovery"
>> command
>> >>> > >>> on
>> >>> > key
>> >>> > >>> devices which caused costly replacements.
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> Regards,
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> Lloyd Rochon - CCIE
>> >>> > >>> Lloyd J. Rochon III
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> > >>> From: Garth Bryden <hacked.the.planet.on.28.8k.dialup_at_gmail.com
>> >
>> >>> > >>> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> >>> > >>> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:09:18
>> >>> > >>> To: Jack Router<pan.router_at_gmail.com>
>> >>> > >>> Reply-To: Garth Bryden
>> >>> > >>> <hacked.the.planet.on.28.8k.dialup_at_gmail.com>
>> >>> > >>> Cc: Adrian Brayton<abrayton_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification<
>> >>> > >>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> The $900,000 would be over the top but the costs they are
>> >>> > >>> calculating
>> >>> I
>> >>> > >>> assume won't be just for the password recovery process. Remember
>> >>> there
>> >>> > is
>> >>> > >>> downtime involved to do this, they are most likely claiming
>> >>> > compensation
>> >>> > >>> for
>> >>> > >>> lost revenue etc.
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jack Router <
>> pan.router_at_gmail.com>
>> >>> > >> wrote:
>> >>> > >>>> How can you spend $900000 in 12 days ? Its 75K a day !!!! Did
>> they
>> >>> > hire
>> >>> > >>> 31
>> >>> > >>>> CCIEs full time for 12 days, assuming 300$/hour wage ?
>> Obviously
>> >>> Terry
>> >>> > >>> was
>> >>> > >>>> right saying his boss was not qualified to have a password.
>> >>> > >>>> BTW, how do you get a job like Terry's boss ? What
>> qualifications
>> >>> are
>> >>> > >>>> required ?
>> >>> > >>>>
>> >>> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> > >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> >>> Behalf
>> >>> > >> Of
>> >>> > >>>> Adrian Brayton
>> >>> > >>>> Sent: 7-Aug-10 13:59
>> >>> > >>>> To: Cisco certification
>> >>> > >>>> Subject: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
>> >>> > >>>>
>> >>> > >>>>
>> >>> > >>>>
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >
>> http://www.businessweek.com/idg/2010-08-07/network-admin-terry-childs-gets-4
>> >>> > >>>> -year-sentence.html
>> >>> > >>>>
>> >>> > >>>>
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